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21 - Competitive Gaming in his teens?! (w/ Mistyc)

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In this episode, we talk with Mistyc about his journey through esports as a teenager, in titles like Call of Duty, Fortnite, Apex Legends, and Rainbow Six Siege.

We dive into what it really takes to go from casual gaming to competitive play, including discipline, training routines, team dynamics, and the reality of esports as a career.

Mistyc also shares the challenges of balancing school and gaming, the importance of parental support, and how gaming can improve critical thinking, reflexes, and problem-solving skills.

If you're interested in competitive gaming, esports careers, or understanding how gaming impacts young players, this episode is for you.


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Juke:

Hello, editing juke here, just popping in. Really quick to explain for this episode, I had a bit of technical difficulties. Basically, I lost the files that allowed me to edit the separate microphones separately. I only had the file with the two microphones together, so I wasn't able to edit out a lot of noises. And whenever you're like recording with someone, if ever you have to do something that is going to risk making noise, you do it while you're not talking so that you can cut it out. But in this situation, I wasn't able to do that. I'm still learning this whole podcasting editing thing, and I'm getting better with time. It's still a great episode, and I wanted to post it because it's it's a great interview. You just need to bear with a little more sounds than I would have hoped to leave it. So without further ado you getting gamers. Hello and welcome to getting gamers. Your guide to understanding the gamers in your life. I am your host, Juke, and today I am joined by a very special guest, my boyfriend, mystic. Hello, everyone. Hello. So today we're going to talk about mystics career in gaming, especially considering the mystic started gaming as a teenager. But before we get into that, how about as perfect tradition? You tell us how you came up with your gamer tag.

Mistyc:

So my gamer tag origins from the fact that as a teenager, I was really big into Greek mythology. So everything that is basically mystical, like everything that you don't see in real life, you know. And I wanted something that was going to for that, and for me, just the word mystic was just like, wow, you know, for me, so I went for that. And I needed something pretty simple to say for, you know, people to because before my gamer tag was kind of, you know, a youngster gamer tag. What was it? It was Monsieur le singe fou.

Juke:

Monsieur le singe fou, which in English, translate to Mr. The crazy monkey, exactly, which is a pretty long gamer tag, and kind

Unknown:

of not, like unprofessional in my point of view.

Juke:

Yeah. Okay, so you changed gamer tag, kind of when you started becoming competitive, exactly

Unknown:

when I started, yeah, when I saw the opportunity, opportunity to actually doing competition and everything. And I thought about it, I'm like, Yeah, I don't think this is really what I was going for, you know,

Juke:

first of all. So wait, so what age was that? 14? I think 14, yeah, is that, like, actually, when you started competing?

Unknown:

Yeah, competing, Call of Duty. Okay, okay, so I was doing the teenage League. So there's the Major League, and there's the the teenage league for Call of Duty at this time was on Black Ops one, black No, Black Ops two, I started,

Juke:

okay, yeah, though the Call of Duty, that's a first

Unknown:

person shooter. Yeah, first person shooter. Whereas a five v5 game in general, five v5 so

Juke:

five players versus five players. Yes, all right, so I remembered Rainbow Six Siege was your competition game, another main one? Yes, yeah, but you've competed in a lot of games,

Unknown:

a lot. Yes, well, I was not really known for these games, because I played them most likely, like maybe one year, but I played Fortnite, Apex, legend, Rainbow, six, Siege, cod, which is Call of Duty. And those were the big main games. Yeah, I won. I won one competition in epics, and the other half when you remember anyone, but it was, actually was close, you know, real big, big competition

Juke:

and everything, all right, so um, at what point did it go for you? From just being a fun gaming thing, like, like, just a normal teen who games, to being like, Oh, this is, this is serious. Well, to be

Unknown:

honest, I never had, like, I never had the the past where it was fun. I always had competition in my life. So since I was four, you know, I played soccer competitively, like the big leagues. And then when I everything I pick up in life is for competition. So I put my everything just to try to defeat the other ones, you know, but and be the best at

Juke:

it, yeah. But at what age do you think you started gaming?

Unknown:

Younger, at nine. Okay, I was playing a little bit on the PC, my mom's and everything, you know, PS, one and everything. And then when I picked up code, that was like the light.

Juke:

And when did you pick up cut at 14? At. 12 at 12. Okay, so, like, from nine to, like, 12 ish, you were playing for fun, yeah?

Unknown:

Kinda,

Juke:

kinda, but you were still the competitive. I was

Unknown:

always trying to find the little loopholes and the things that I wanna, I always wanted to be better, but when i Because, you know, esport is really young as a sport, yeah? So, basically, you know, like League of Legends, all these things that were the main things, and Warcraft, don't forget about that. That's the biggest one we started it. But like, League of Legends nowadays is like two millions, 1 million cash prize. But at the start it was $10,000 you know. And this is when I started picking up about it, about competition, because otherwise it never came into my mind, you know.

Juke:

But for you, it was mainly because you wanted competition. It wasn't

Unknown:

about the money. No, it was just for me, it was my purpose. It was just about being the best, yeah, the best people, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of cool, because you have community and everything with people you get to be with. And you get, like, you develop, how can I say that

Juke:

in French,

Unknown:

relation, you know, with relations with people, yeah, and then you get to know it, like, I have a friend nowadays, is like, I've been knowing, knowing him for 1010, years, and we celebrated it in discord and everything. But, you know, we live far apart. But this people probably knows better my life. No, it's a shadow. Oh, yeah, celebrated a 10 year thing. Yeah, a 10 year thing. So, like, but yes, this guy probably know, like, know most of my things in my life, then my friends nowadays. You know, I've been knowing him longer than my friends nowadays, you know?

Juke:

Yeah, well, it's interesting, because for me, a little bit of lore for the listeners in our relationship. Shadow is actually the, the first friend of Chris's I met, because shadow doesn't live in the same city as us, but Chris and I when, when things were like starting off for us, yeah, we were in that city for an event, like, before we were even, like, officially a thing. Shadow is the first person that I met. So shadow has a special little place on my heart, yeah?

Unknown:

And also, which is crazy, that's really good timing, because we were in Quebec at this time,

Juke:

yeah, exactly, yeah. So I'm curious, because you've always had, like, this goal of, you know, being the best and always being competitive, but you were still a teen gamer. So at what point did you realize you were good?

Unknown:

Most of the reason why I did most like it's because I've always been in the top 100 people in the world,

Juke:

and you're getting ratings of the Yeah, exactly.

Unknown:

Okay, so there's a leaderboard, like, in color that was top 73 for the time. Then, you know, it's always switches. But when I see I can reach that, it's whereas I'm telling myself, like, Okay, I am like, what I'm doing is good, and I'm like, in the best you know,

Juke:

so even as a teen, you were ranking in the in the normal rankings were ranking pretty high. Yeah, okay, that's pretty cool. Because I feel like in normal sports, like, I don't want to say normal, but you know what I mean, like in physical sports, the The rankings are by age. I think it's something that's interesting in gaming that the rankings are per game is the pool of all players. So it is interesting as a teen, if you're realizing that you're ranking really high, and you know that this is a game that's played by all ages, it does really indicate to you that

Unknown:

there's something there, right?

Juke:

Exactly, I think that that,

Unknown:

but that's the fact like nowadays, you know that you can do something, but at this time you didn't know.

Juke:

Yeah, exactly. But I think, do you think that having those ratings as a teen helped you explain it to your parents to be like, Look, this is like a huge No. They didn't

Unknown:

understand the rating. If I would be in Korea, I would have been in state. Even the state nowadays is kind of mainstream, it would, I would be able to, yeah, but in Quebec, I can't, but, but you still

Juke:

did a bit, right? No, but you did compete.

Unknown:

I competed. The only person that really understood, it was my mom, but otherwise

Juke:

she understood, just because she understood you, because

Unknown:

this is what I was doing, even though I even though I should, I showed all the proofs to everyone. They always, they always thought it was a bad idea. You know,

Juke:

yeah, and I think that most non gamers don't necessarily understand the ratings enough to understand their

Unknown:

impact well, it wasn't mainstream enough to tell if it was possible as a carrier, you know what I mean, a career. Yeah, career. So, yeah, that was basically it.

Juke:

So continuing on that talk, on that like topic, can we dive a little deeper on what your parents thought about it? Like your mom was supportive. But was there any.

Unknown:

Pushback or, well, I didn't know, I that's the thing, though, with my mom, which is amazing that she didn't show resentment to it, but that she was willing to admit the fact that that was what I was doing to do. So even though it was bad or not, she was amazing at it. She wasn't showing anything, and she was supportive. She bring me food every time, like I wasn't really there, you know?

Juke:

Yeah, I remember you telling me that, like, sometimes you were practicing so much that you just bring you supper exactly, you would be so busy, you wouldn't have time to say thank you.

Unknown:

Being gamers. No, she didn't show frustration, frustration over that. Yeah, anything I was doing, what I was like for her, it was our kid being in this passion, which is, I'm really grateful because I'm it's really unique at this time to have that.

Juke:

Yeah, of course. But I remember talking to other gamers about the support that your mom showed towards your your competitive career as a as a teen. And I could see whenever I do mention it to gamers, that they're there. They find it touching, but you could see there's a little pain in their eyes as well, because they can't help but imagine what it would have been like for them if their parents had been that supportive, because I think a lot of gamers did have that dream growing up, and it's so it's fascinating. It's a fascinating like thing to see in conversation, of recognizing that without them having to name it, them going like, wow. And then you can see them thinking about, like, what would that have been? Like? How far could I have gotten,

Unknown:

you know, the support. And for me, it was everything, because my life was that, if my mom should have, I've shown resentment and like I would have questioned my path. You know, I think the fact I took this path was so advantageous for my life. And, yeah, I think it was wonderful for that.

Juke:

And do you think that, like, the support that you felt, did it kind of create any like pressure to succeed?

Unknown:

I don't know, no, not for me, because I always put the pressure on me anyway. Yeah, you know, but it's not the pressure of succeeding, it's the fact that she did that made me even better. You know, in a way, because I didn't have the stress behind my head that what I was doing could hurt people around me, or, you know, affect my just the way of people seeing me, other than my family, but my mom was the most important. Yeah, and I could perform at my best because I didn't have this thought me on my back, back in my head, you

Juke:

know, yeah, like, You, you, basically, you. You also didn't have to waste time defending exactly yourself, yeah, exactly which, which, I think does take a lot of energy out of people. I mean, there's, like, puts you in a bad mood if you're having to defend if you're gaming, and then having to I

Unknown:

wouldn't have been able to do what I did, yeah, if it was possible, because honestly, defending yourself anyway, for someone like me, it would have taken like, 50% of my energy, and it's too much. I had to put 100% of my energy into it.

Juke:

Yeah, did it ever stop being fun? Like considering you put all this pressure on yourself and you were still a teenager?

Unknown:

What? No, then didn't stop being fun. Because for me, it was my purpose, and I always seen the game as fun, and learning something every day and pushing my limits every day was fun to me. But nowadays, nowadays it wouldn't, wouldn't be fun, for sure. Oh no, no,

Juke:

because I have seen you like in the time that we've been dating. You've competed a bit, but I did notice that you Wow. I had

Unknown:

fun because I was with friends, you know, yeah, but now learning a new game with everything I do in life, I would not be fun because the competition noise is so hardcore, like people do this, 1212, 1010, hours a day, and if you're not supported by an org, or, you know, then don't get paid. There's no point to

Juke:

do it. Yeah, supported

Unknown:

by an org, he means, like an organization, esport organization, yeah.

Juke:

So were you supported by an organization? Because did you have, like, a manager?

Unknown:

One time, I remember six each with the Liberty gaming. Liberty gaming, yeah, Liberty gaming had a contract, but was really not money. You know, it's if if I won, I would have won a tournament that was, you know, more professional, but I was things $500 a week, you know, wasn't much, but it's something, you know.

Juke:

So with Liberty gaming, did you have like a sponsors or managers

Unknown:

with the team? Yeah, but personally, no.

Juke:

So the team itself has,

Unknown:

yeah, like, G Fuel has, those are sponsors. Yeah, sponsors, yeah. And, let's take two in my knowledge. Oh yeah. Let's take Yeah.

Juke:

And, did you guys have a manager or coaches? Yeah? Oh my god,

Unknown:

that was a stricter so there was a manager. There was a CO two coaches, actually, one for the strategies and one for personal life. Okay, there was so the manager did the schedules. There was a CEO too. But CEO see it? So wait,

Juke:

there's a manager for the coach for the gaming, yeah. But what do you mean for personal life?

Unknown:

So training you had, like, to keep you

Juke:

physically fit, fit, yeah, okay,

Unknown:

that's good, because, like, if you're not fit personally, yeah, you're never gonna be fit mentally, yeah. So you will, you will never have, like, 100% focus on the game if you're not fit. So this guy was there for that, yeah, and I think

Juke:

most serious gamers out there. Yeah, everybody's aware that, like, you're using your brain, you have to take care of your physical health, but that, I think that's really cool. I had not thought, I think I kind of assumed that, like, gaming team doesn't necessarily like, I think I thought, you know, fitness is each person's, like, self responsibility on their own. I think that's super great that you guys had a, well,

Unknown:

it was unknown for for Quebec team, oh yeah,

Juke:

it was, like, the first time,

Unknown:

yeah, for night. Like, honestly, out of my head, there's no Canadian Well, there's Canadian teams, but from Quebec, no, there's none that in professional Yeah,

Juke:

well, I mean, now, I mean, who knows? Because it's been at least 10 years.

Unknown:

No, there's none. I know for a fact. Oh yeah, there's none. There's one player in league of legends that is a player, but not an org, which is

Juke:

not the team you were with.

Unknown:

They're gone. No, there's they're not in a professional league. There's a semi professional league that are trying to be in the professional league. So in robustic there was the main league, and there was this sub League, like a like you see it in like in soccer, there's a la, diga, whatever. And under these big leagues, there's one league under which where the team competes to be promoted into

Juke:

the, yeah, like, the junior leagues and

Unknown:

stuff, exactly. So, so, yeah,

Juke:

so you were, like, in a junior, in a tier two. Okay, I see. I see. So, what did a normal day look like for you? Like, as a team, competitive gamer? Well, normal day.

Unknown:

First of all, woke up, I ate breakfast, and then it was going into the discord, meeting with the people. So we had a schedule every day. Okay, I'm talking for almost six each. We had a schedule every day. So you look into the schedule, you see what I have to do. So normally it's like two or three hours of scrims, which means you're playing against another team to like, 44567, straight games, yeah. And then afterwards, there were two hours of reviewing, reviewing games,

Juke:

yeah, kind of like on TV, you see, like the football team re watching their own game and taking notes and stuff.

Unknown:

Yes, there's that, but that's the coach jobs and us as players of seeing what the coach has to say and adjusting everything. And there is this part between each games, and then afterwards, we pretty much have solo

Juke:

queue, solo queue that is practicing without your team.

Unknown:

Just you alone. Yeah, you alone. Or you can play with people you know, sometimes, but most likely you want to play alone. So you upgrades your personal game sense. Game sense, yeah, game sense means in the game how you react and by the informations you have, okay,

Juke:

so, like, but Is that an actual term game? Yeah. So it's about, like, just your kind of, like, your instinct, exactly your game in the game is game sense? Yeah, game sense.

Unknown:

Okay, so you develop that by doing. So look, you and so look you can do for forever, until there's so that's like between and then sometimes there's more scrims, but normally you don't. And then there's with the pro coach, like the pro life coach. Sometimes you go with them and you have to talk about so basically, yeah, but the scrims and the watching can take almost six to eight hours a day, and then afterwards, it's so look you until like, then you can take up to like. You can you can do it for four hours, two hours and you're liking, but you have to do it.

Juke:

So judging from that, and considering you are a teenager, I'm thinking your school might have taken a hit.

Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately, I didn't finish my secondary five, and then I dropped

Juke:

out because of that, yeah, but for me, but you fit, you almost finished. It was just one exam.

Unknown:

No, yeah, but didn't, yeah, I just didn't went to school at all.

Juke:

And like, do you think the mentality of the the team and all that. Like, do you think maybe, as like Quebec gaming teams evolve, especially for teens, that maybe they'll be like the coaches will have a bigger focus on making sure that, like, the teams still take care of

Unknown:

their schooling. But at this time, I wasn't really much of it. Like, I wasn't secondary five, you know, in high school, high school SEC five, you know, for our,

Juke:

like, non Canadian or non Quebec, sec five is, like, 1617, years old. It's the 11th grade.

Unknown:

Yeah. So I was 17 at this time, so I started it, and it wasn't but taking back like I wouldn't have done it, like I wouldn't permissly, like this team wouldn't get people under 16, you know?

Juke:

And so, okay, what the team you were in, they took 16, and most

Unknown:

orgs doesn't want people under 16, okay, okay. But the thing is, it's like for but this was another thing as well. Like, tier two. You know, tier two, it's not a carrier, but if you're for a tier one or honestly, like, you go for it. You know, you under 16, you just go for it, yeah?

Juke:

But I'm thinking about like, because I know it's not the same thing, but I'm thinking about like, child actors, other like, Teen People, but they will force you to do it, yeah? Like child actors. There's like, homeschooling and stuff like that, to make sure that they keep up with their high school Exactly. Because I'm assuming that in other countries where gaming competition is more respected, there are, you know, younger teams for Team One.

Unknown:

So there's Academy teams,

Juke:

Academy teams,

Unknown:

Academy teams, kids. Yeah, well, kids, teenagers, plus, okay, yeah.

Juke:

But like, 16 up or younger,

Unknown:

younger, okay, okay, so like, t1 Academy, but they have a school integrated into their building, exactly so, so they have, yeah, but it's not, it's specialized into just normal things, not specialized into like, there's maybe mathematics and everything, but there's no, like, historical things. But so in their program, it's like, soccer, soccer or football in school, you know, they go to school, and there's programs where they go play games, you know, yeah, but it's not after school. It's in school. Yeah, it's

Juke:

in school. But there's still things in place to make sure that they get their diploma or their GED or whatever. Yeah, I see so school aside and all that, again, focusing on the fact that you were pretty young when you started competing, like especially at 14, but even at 17.

Unknown:

To be clarified, at this young age, I wasn't contractified.

Juke:

You weren't contracted contracting chemical.

Unknown:

Contract. So it was me with a bunch of people that I knew that was doing really great, and we started a team together, yeah, entering, like, on your own, with exactly so, no money, no contract. I was going to school still, so it was like a little bit of game, like, one two hours, and then we go to bed and we go back to school, you know, until we have the games in the league, you know? And so the games in the league was most likely one day a week. So, yeah, yeah, I was just wanted

Juke:

to clarify. No, I get that that makes sense. And what Rainbow Six Siege, that was like, 16, 1717, okay. And before I go to my next question, I am curious, did your coaches? Were your coaches upset with you about high school? Like, did they find out? No, I didn't

Unknown:

tell anybody. You didn't tell them no. For me, it was my choice, okay, and didn't affect me mentally. Like, for me, honestly, high school was most like a burden for me then, yeah, but that's my personal view, exactly, but not a burden in a fact, of like, hate is cool, burden that the thing that I learned wasn't for me, and my idea was not, it

Juke:

wasn't what you needed. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Well, yeah, I think most teens relate to that feeling.

Unknown:

But no, like, this is done, but nowadays I don't regret it, you know. So, yeah,

Juke:

well, you're a landscaper, so it works out exactly. But, yeah, coming back to the fact that you were young and, like, emotions are a big thing when we're teens, you know, with puberty and hormones and all that. So like, how did losing feel, like, at that age, since you're putting yourself in like, these higher stakes situation, like, do you feel like it ahead, honestly

Unknown:

and more emotions losing than winning? Yeah. Which is it's, it's hard, you know, because it's where you tell yourself that you're not good enough, you know. But you know it's not you. Personally, because I always beat up my beat up myself, you know, I did mistakes. I was already older than me, than what I was doing, right? You know? So, yeah, that was most likely it

Juke:

so, so. But what was that like, like as a 14 to 17 year old, having to, like, deal with that the impact, or because you were doing sports since you were so young, you were practiced that

Unknown:

I don't think I realized the impact about it, because it was such a normal thing for me, not losing but being that hard. But my coaches did help a lot with that, because, like, they know the impact of like, you don't want to lose morality and, you know, believe in yourself, but I, I didn't really feel the impact. Was more natural way of reacting to the fact that you lost. I don't know. I don't have to explain that. To be honest, it's a hard question.

Juke:

Well, I mean, I think clearly, like you weren't the type of kid that was punching walls.

Unknown:

No, games, I was more raging, but I wasn't really like I was a lot of introspective as a person. And I think that's also a quality that you need if you want to excel at gaming, yeah, but it's always hard, you know,

Juke:

of course, yeah, so was there, like, a particularly, like, most stressful moment that you remember,

Unknown:

most stressful? No, not really, nothing game, that's for sure. Yeah, since my young age, I was drilled to be in stressful moments anyway. You know, one of the ones really like meaningful things, like, if you lose, that you're out of the competition. And like, last round, like this, for me, was some something easy to deal with. I think what is harder is to come to the realization that it's, it's the end, you know, like

Juke:

that, it's over you because you're losing,

Unknown:

because there's games like, if you do double brackets, double brackets, you can lose once, but you can't lose twice, you know meaning a bail, like a best of best of three, best of five, okay, but in certain competitions, there's double brackets, which is, there's the winning side and the losing side. Okay, so you play your games the one like in the first the first line, so nobody played each other, but the first game, if you lose in these Well, you're not out, okay. You play against the next losing team. Okay? So when you lose in that state, that's where you realize, really, that, like, it's, it's over, you know? So, yeah, that's where that was most hardcore, because that's where you realize it, because, even though you're losing, that's not really a thing that you realize in a way, because that's something, it's not really

Juke:

impactful, yeah, because it's a normal part

Unknown:

of gaming, exactly. Yeah, you can't win at all, that's for sure.

Juke:

No, no, of course. So was there ever a time where it like ruined your whole day, or you're

Unknown:

even, oh, yeah, when I was a most like planet is

Juke:

Lana Ts? Yeah, Lana TS is a big competition. We've addressed Lana Ts in previous episodes of the podcast. If ever you want to go check that out. But what were you saying about land at the end?

Unknown:

So basically, Lana Ts were that was a double bracket. But the thing is, is that in this one was most heartbreaking is that my performance was poor, in a way, because this type of land was was very horrible, in a way, of like, you're all bunched up in the same thing,

Juke:

yeah, I remember going to visit people, get competing at landates, and being so surprised, like everybody side,

Unknown:

and you can't set up your stuff as the way you like it,

Juke:

yeah, because you have a limited amount of space, and you and

Unknown:

the tables are all the same height, and then you can't adjust everything as if other lands you you had everything customized to you.

Juke:

Oh, yeah, okay, okay, I didn't know.

Unknown:

So it was really more more hardcore, and the fact that was performing less and then we got got out by the number one Quebec team, which is, yeah, we got beat by them Nordic esport, which is really well for me, it was unfair. Because, like, they faced up the number one against, like, number two. You know,

Juke:

no, I don't like they, but isn't it normal to put the two best against each other?

Unknown:

No, because, well, or not, like, not first, yeah, so that was bad.

Juke:

Orangey. Orangey, oh, because it was randomized, who played against who? Yeah, exactly, okay,

Unknown:

so, yeah, yeah. So we got out, like, at the start of the tournament, and was really, really hardcore, yeah, that was a move. As big as like losing, loser feeling, you

Juke:

know, So was there any moments where you felt like quitting?

Unknown:

Well, yes, because Rainbow Six, since I was in tier two, I didn't for two years, I didn't go up tier one. So I didn't, I felt like, because I was me personally, when a game goes out, I'm always better than mostly everybody in these type of games. Like, humbly, yeah. And so when I saw that fortnight got out, I was like, You know what? Fuck it.

Juke:

What do you mean? Fortnite got out, it was like, cancel

Unknown:

the competition. No. Go out, like, in the mainstream, like it got published.

Juke:

Oh, it got published. Oh, like, it got released. Yeah. Okay. So when it got

Unknown:

released, you, I went to Fortnite. You went, like, full, full on it, yeah. And I went, Yes. And there was a big discord for competitions before, like, the mainstreams, and I was playing under in that

Juke:

so you less, less often wanted to quit more, you just switched games exactly. Okay, so I would, at what point did you actually like,

Unknown:

oh, quick, yeah, move on. Where I found that. How can I say that I didn't find any passions anymore about competition? Yeah, the drive was gone. Yeah, the drive was gone. Because everything was going to shit, you know, in a way, like I started streaming, this was going well off, but wasn't it was going okay, and then, and then competition was going okay, but I wasn't going into tier ones. And I was like, and then I found landscaping, yeah, and then when I found landscaping, I was full on it.

Juke:

So kind of found a new passion Exactly, exactly. Do you feel that? Because something I feel going back on the fact that that you didn't have to fight your mom over the gaming Do you think that that kind of, like, allowed you to move on? Because I feel like, often now, of course, yeah. Because I feel like, when, of course, like, we get told that things are phases like, oh, oh, that's just like, like, when I was going through my, what people call my emo phase, and people kept telling me, oh, that's just the face. That's just the face. And I feel like it, it, it pushes you to stay Yeah, because I wanted to prove that. Like, no, this is me, the way

Unknown:

that my mom and daughter was really crucial to the fact that me going through because everything that I did as a teenager was my choice, yeah, and I didn't. So I always had to think through what I did, and I never had like a negative outcome, but not negative outcome, and negative thinking behind my head in this sort of form, because my mom was always neutral or positive about it. So, yeah, so when I found landscaping, I knew that fuck it, you know, and nobody, my mom was supportive again. So was like, Well, I wasn't doing much, and just go. Finally, you find your next path. And I think I'm really good at it, and I'm succeeding, yeah, yeah,

Juke:

of course. Oh, that's good, because I do feel like, you know, not having to defend it, like maybe because you were a teen, if you had had to defend it, maybe you would have held on.

Unknown:

I would have wanted to prove to everyone that they were doing, saying the wrong thing and they were done. And then this is my, my way of thinking anyway. So teenagers, as a teenager and as a competitive person, you always want to prove people wrong. That's that's a main for me. That's main thing, you know, yeah, yeah.

Juke:

So we talked a bit about, like, the the low points of, like, the stressful points. But is there like, a best competing moment that you remember, like one of those memories that really sticks out from your competitor.

Unknown:

I think winning my my first tournament, was the biggest thing,

Juke:

and that was with the team or

Unknown:

with no we were in Booth six.

Juke:

Okay, so it was like

Unknown:

the thing is we were in blue six. Is that we won, we lost, we won, we lost. But it wasn't really a tournament until we did line, you know, yeah, but so it wasn't really a high that was, it's like, cool, we won a game. We want to do that next day, you know. But with apex, what was, was the first tournament in the game. And we're just like, was the unknown, you know, yeah, like, the thing of like, nobody ever proven, proven themselves, never, nobody ever, like, there was a meta, you know, of things, but nobody really think that was the best

Juke:

way, you know. So meta for those. Out there who might not remember. I'm pretty sure we've covered it. But meta is basically like the norm, the go to way to play, the fact that people are gonna play this most

Unknown:

effective technique,

Juke:

something like, oh my god, it's an acronym.

Unknown:

It's an acronym. Holy, wait, I'm gonna go find some most effective technique, I think something like that. Oh, my God, while you

Juke:

Google it, I'm gonna, because I thought meta, because in polyamory, for example, meta is a term. Meta means, like your partner's other partners. So like, if, if Chris and I were polyamorous, and Chris had another girlfriend, she would be my meta. And then in TV, when we're talking about TV or movies, we're saying, Oh, that's so meta. And so it's such a normal word to me, or a normal sound, yeah, so

Unknown:

it's most effective tactics available.

Juke:

Most effective tactics available, exactly. Oh, my God. So yeah, because meta is such a normal word that people use in different contacts, or everything like that. I never thought that it meant something, that it was an acronym. Most effective tactic, what

Unknown:

tactics available? Available on plural, because there are multiple of them. But the way, you know, I'm so

Juke:

curious because I haven't gone to re listen to previous episodes, I'm so curious to know if a gamer has already told me this acronym and I forgot, or if I, if this is actually the first time I'm reading this,

Unknown:

it's really, it's not a known thing,

Juke:

yeah, but Okay, cool, because

Unknown:

it's so normalized, yeah.

Juke:

So there you go. That's what a meta is, people.

Unknown:

So, yeah. So I'm going back to what I was saying, that nothing was normalized.

Juke:

So it was, you got to really, like, prove yourself, in a sense, yeah.

Unknown:

And we were, and I was IGL, so in game leader,

Juke:

in game leader. Oh, yeah, that's

Unknown:

with that three people. I know two people. So, yeah, it was 3v threes, okay, 3v, three. Yeah. So I was IGL with two people and

Juke:

game leader, that's also the

Unknown:

So, yeah, so we practice. We did scrims, crams, crams. There was a discord pro card, and we call

Juke:

what's okay? So just pros.

Unknown:

Yeah, it's pros. It's like, where's there's the big teams, you know, c9 these big teams are in there. So it was the pro chord, and we didn't get picked up by these teams. So we started something like, with three were really good at this, and then, yeah, so,

Juke:

so they didn't know, no team picked you up and you won anyway. Yeah, okay, so, yeah, I could see how that's like a top tier moment. Yeah, I

Unknown:

was like top three Bangalore in a game.

Juke:

What Bangalore

Unknown:

Bangor is a character, it's an offensive character, okay, which is as defensive, it's really OP. This time was really, really OP, okay. And I was like, What the fuck were like? So, because I was most likely mostly speaking French,

Juke:

oh, they weren't picking you guys up because you

Unknown:

were, why French, there's that, but, like, or English

Juke:

language barrier. But

Unknown:

I played like, after that, I played with so many Americans, you know, yeah,

Juke:

but I could totally see people being like, they don't come from Quebec. They're not sure they hear the accent. They're this just exactly,

Unknown:

because when you do, you're because you have to present yourself, yeah, and you have to put where you're from. And, yeah, like, like, a survey, you know, you have to put your stats

Juke:

you have, like, a little gaming resume,

Unknown:

and then a Quebec team asked me to play, you know, so that's after the victory. No, that's we were, we were in the team, Quebec team,

Juke:

when you won. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, so a team did end up picking Yeah, okay, okay, but it was a Quebec team.

Unknown:

Like, for me, when you picked up by Quebec team, you're in tier two for your life,

Juke:

because Quebec is not that big in the gaming. No, it's not

Unknown:

even that. It's like the culture in in the culture in Quebec, is not Yeah, made for that,

Juke:

yeah, yeah, just not as accepted here, no, yeah. But there are schools I've seen that are starting to have game

Unknown:

well, they have Rocket League because Rocket League is easy to tell everybody that

Juke:

it's Rocket League is the game where you're a car playing soccer.

Unknown:

Yeah? So yeah, no, no Rocket League because it's easy to tell the parents that, look, it's playing soccer

Juke:

with a car. Yeah, it's not dangerous. There's no guns and yeah, yeah, true that. It must be touchy.

Unknown:

There's league too, which is surprising, but the league teams are like, they're not searching for the best.

Juke:

What do you actually like know about them?

Unknown:

Yeah, no, oh yeah, there's varsity. There's not varsity.

Juke:

Oh, when you were competing, you were competing against some schools, but not Quebec schools. No, no, no, no.

Unknown:

If you want to get good practice

Juke:

Americans, yeah, oh my God, you're gonna offend so many Quebecers. Babe, it's my point. Oh, my God, Quebecers Don't hate me. It's my boyfriend. It's not me. I'm just not my opinion. I have no Quebec gamers are the best gamers, in

Unknown:

my opinion. If you know the gaming community as like competitions, and you're Quebec like native like, you know, if you know, if you speak French, and you have French gamers with you, you know what I'm talking about, okay?

Juke:

But still, Quebec gamers don't hate me. That's his opinion. No, nowadays I love them for competitions. I hate them, right? Okay, so looking back now on your gaming career, do you feel like it was normal for a teenager? No, no, no, at least not a Quebec teenager.

Unknown:

Okay, nowadays, maybe because you get so, how can I say that

Juke:

it's getting more normalized,

Unknown:

of course, because it's mainstream now, but it wasn't, yeah, I'm young. I'm not old. That's the thing. That's the weird thing to say, I'm not old, yeah, like I'm the first generation. No, I'm the second generation. Yeah, of esport gamers,

Juke:

yeah, of bigger competitive gamers here in the world. Well, I mean,

Unknown:

because StarCraft wasn't like was 2000 maybe 1005, 456, and wasn't mainstreamed on the only Korea that was mainstream, yeah, that's what I mean. And us, yeah.

Juke:

But then here what you're like, second generation? Yeah, yeah.

Unknown:

Actually, fun fact, the guy who dethroned the Koreans was a Canadian. Oh, yeah,

Juke:

in Warcraft. In Warcraft. Oh, cool. Go Canada. Do you feel like, Did it help you grow in any way? And like, of course, What lessons do? You can still

Unknown:

okay, first of all, we have to think the fact that what I was doing is work so and I was because

Juke:

it does come with a certain level of discipline, like,

Unknown:

oh my god, yeah, it's like, if you're not disciplined, you're gonna get kicked so hard, and not even of the team in the balls, you know. Like, because you know that you will know the reality of like people around you do if you're not putting the same discipline and the same work headache as them, you're never gonna keep up. That's the most important thing that you have to acknowledge about that. And then there was schedules, like in real work and basically like, and you were working with people, so you know, I run, so if you're selfish, if you're, you know, it's going to be noticed, and you're people are not going to, never going to be wanting to work with you. Yeah, so it's, it's a

Juke:

business, and it's interesting, because my next question was going to be like, what of the, what lessons of that, of that you learned back then sticks today. But what you're naming right now is something that we have seen, or at least I have seen, has stuck. So for like, other people out there, especially parents, if your kids are like, you know, looking into competitive gaming, and you're, you know, looking into being supportive on that aspect, I'll say one thing is the discipline that mystic has learned, probably from gaming and other competitive sports in general, is the number one thing that the people at work, we work for the same company, it's the number one thing that people notice about like, my boyfriend's a great worker. He's great at this job, like he has the great skills and everything, but the discipline he has is something that is so appreciated at his work and like this, this winter, we were both in snow removal. I quit halfway through the winter because I realized I bit off more than I can chew. But my boyfriend did the whole winter, and you could tell that, like our supervisors and our boss at work were so impressed. He would get calls from people to tell him, hey. Like, seriously, you work so well. You never complain. You're always there. You're never late. Like, people are really, really impressed by Chris and his discipline when it comes to his work. And I think that, like his competitive career, yes, in gaming and sports and physical sports as well.

Unknown:

Definitely, if I have to enter it, I think my physical sport wouldn't, wouldn't have given me as much discipline as my gaming because, because, how can I say like, you're how can I say like in gaming, you see the stats in gaming, you see the people you're around. You're around them, 24/7, and you see the work that they put in other physical sports. You have practice one, two days a week. But it doesn't become professional fast, which is in gaming, where you're really getting into it, it becomes professional fast, and you have to be more disciplined than the one in the left or

Juke:

the right of you. Yeah, and I'll say one thing as well for gaming is that what I've noticed is that you're not gonna, like start gaming and within a week, get picked up by a team. You're going to I think most. People have to prove yourself. You have to prove yourself. And that means most gamers, I know, if they've had like if they competed in any ways, it's always started off with building your own team with your friends, and building your own routine and your own practices and all that, and so creating that discipline for yourself before even ever being considered for a team that will have a coach that then, versus, like when you're in soccer as a kid, your mom signs you up and you immediately have a

Unknown:

there's one thing I have to say, that people do go through these things, but I will say that's not the best What do you mean? I mean is that you have to go through some most teams, what they do, like the big ones, they go through, through tryouts, like in normal sports, like soccer, like football, like,

Juke:

Yeah, but as a kid, that, no, there's no tryouts. But in gaming, you have no choice but to develop that discipline before even getting to be mom. Can't just sign you up to a team, and you have a coach immediately, at least not here,

Unknown:

but that depends, because the adult you have, like my mom, which is really disciplined in life, and like in general, my dad

Juke:

too, but she knew nothing about gaming. She couldn't

Unknown:

have created but I supported the discipline that she was a good example to me, yeah, to what I

Juke:

was doing exactly. She was a good example, but there was no way she could have created a discipline for you. She didn't know enough about gaming, so you still had to, like, you know, build it on your own and get inspired, yes, but

Unknown:

I have to say, like, if I have to sit cite, more benefits is that you get so self. You have to be self critical about what you're doing. You have to think a lot. You get like everything you're going to do with your hands is going to be more precise, like it's neurology neurotic. I don't know how to say yeah. Neurologically, neurologically, yeah, yeah. And you're gonna get so much better than most of the people. Like, if I'm in a machine, like, I picked up the machine, which is for most people, so hard.

Juke:

You mean the machines that work? Yeah? Okay. So what he's talking about is, like, the Bob, like the hand

Unknown:

core, destination, is going to be so much easier. So much, like, if you get into new things, yeah, you're gonna pick it up so much easier than anybody else.

Juke:

Yeah. And just to clarify on that, so what he's saying is, he's talking about, like, bobcats, mechanical shovels, like machinery that we use on job sites, in construction or in hardscaping. And that's something I think I've named in other episodes, but I'll take the time to name again here, one of the things that I've noticed is that every gamer I know who has tried out machineries has an easier time.

Unknown:

It took me one month even less,

Juke:

yeah, but even like in the in the class at school when we were when I was learning machinery, those who, like had used joysticks and stuff like that, just were smoother, quicker on the machines, whereas me, who really doesn't have that much experience with gaming and joysticks, and I started learning it older, so I don't have that, like that development that people have when they've been gaming younger. And if you put when I first started off in the machines, it was so jagged, I wasn't as smooth as people who, like, knew joysticks and had that touch, you know, so there are, like, actual benefits in the sense of you develop things that do translate to real life very often, as we can see here, in many cases.

Unknown:

Oh yeah, there's so much like, for me, it's personal, my personal thing, but I'm pretty sure that you get so much advantage in anything, you know, if you're doing a prolific job, like, like Office, Office jobs or anyway, like you're gonna be used to anything, you're gonna get faced off, you know? So, yeah,

Juke:

yeah, you think even an office job because it's a computer, you mean my computer,

Unknown:

like, you get used to computers and anything that you're not, true to your face, you most things, because you're used to informations that are from a computer. You know, if you use Excels, like, you know what it is, but you're gonna, like, process it faster, yeah, I think, I think.

Juke:

But, yeah, yeah, of course. So in talking about these benefits and these ways that that gaming has improved your life and some of that, what are things that you think people don't know about teen gamers, like, what? What's something people wouldn't expect necessarily, from a teen gamer, or, let's say, like a stereotype about teenage gaming, I

Unknown:

don't know, like they're lazy, they're, you know, it's most people think that gaming is just, it's a waste of time, it's a waste of knowledge, it's a waste of it's a brain rot. But it's, you know. How can I say that? It's like, if you want to go pro, it's a work. It's just work, like any other thing, you know, I think you'll be surprised how how much he can be into or like put himself, or like, how he can think, how he can visualize things like you don't really know someone until you go into their passions. You know what I mean. So like you like for me, I would show something, but when you go into what I do, you will see another part of me, but you don't really see it.

Juke:

Yeah, I think that touching quickly on like the stereotype of like a gamer gaming is lazy. I challenge the people who think that gaming is lazy, and I understand where that comes from, because people you do see people like choosing to game instead of doing their household chores or stuff like that, and then they associate like gaming with laziness. But to you, person who associates giving to lazy, I challenge you to go play Call of Duty and tell me if you feel lazy and relaxed because I feel stress the fuck out when I play this game.

Unknown:

It's not even stress. It's just that, try to learn a game.

Juke:

Yeah, it's so much work. There's so many times where there's been times where mystic is gonna say, Do you want to play this game? Because I voiced interest in trying like this game was released, or, like, when split fiction got released, I wanted to play it because I liked the game that those creators had made beforehand. But then mystic would say, Do you want to, like play split fiction? And I'd be like, Oh, I'm not in the mood to learn a new game. And he'd be like, but you're not. It's not you're not learning anything, you know. This is the same mechanics as the other game, you know. But for me, it just felt like so much work. It took me a while to be in the mood to play split fiction, even though I wanted to play it, just because it meant learning a new game, which wasn't actually that much work, though. Chris got to see how bad I am at jumping.

Unknown:

Well, yeah, not just jumping, but

Juke:

so, so, yeah, so it was fun time, though, yeah, it was fun time. But all that to say that, like, I think it's interesting, because I think it's this, this, this vicious circle kind of of, oh, the gamer is gaming instead of doing his chores, or the gamers gaming instead of doing this thing. And so they associate gaming to laziness.

Unknown:

But I want to, I want to get a little comparison that is probably just like the people will get mad at me for saying that. But do you think that someone who's sitting at a desk and in the classroom is lazy, he's learning? Yeah, you see. What I mean is that when you get in front of a TV and you're playing a game like you, you create so many paths in your brain to try to learn. And just like it's critical thinking, it's logical thinking, it's like everything, yeah, everything that you do in your brain is you're learning when you play. Is even me nowadays, I can go back to Rainbow Six, and I will learn again.

Juke:

Yeah, of course. So I think, I think the lesson in that is, yes, do people use gaming, just like any other hobbies, to avoid doing chores? Feel like doing Yeah, absolutely, just like any hobby, just the same way that I watch TV instead of washing the dishes? Yes, absolutely. But is gaming lazy? No, absolutely not. So that's pretty much all the questions I had about teenage gaming. But was there anything that you felt that you wanted to say, or anything you think I've missed, or I just

Unknown:

think that if your child is or whatever? Well, yeah, I would say that a child, because it's more a career for me on gaming or eSports starts as a teenage years, because that's where you will learn faster. That's where you're going to pick up things as mechanisms, as like for me, 24 years old, I will not be as competitive as a 19 years old, that's for sure, even though I'm 24 you know? But yeah, so I think that's if your child, or your teenager, like, starts want to compete, like, don't make them think that's a waste of time. Make them think that it's going to be like an adventure,

Juke:

you know, yeah, and I think, I think a child wanting to compete can teach a lot of important things, right? So if, if come, if, if you know sports aren't their thing, or they like sports, but not to the point where they want to compete, but they do want to compete in gaming, they will learn a lot just from the idea that they're competing in something. It will teach them a certain amount of discipline. It will help them develop their drive.

Unknown:

And if I have to say another thing is that if you, if your child is really good enough to go pro, like they will make more money than you.

Juke:

Yeah, it is true. One thing I'll say, actually two things I want to say, because you did talk about, like, starting in the teens, and the validity of that. And I have met gamers who were in their mid to late 20s, and. And talking about the dream of being a competitive gamer. And they do, like, little competitions, but they're talking about, like, the big dream of being a big competitive gamer. And whenever I talk to them about like, Okay, so do it, they always say, Well, I'm too old. My reflexes are already too far gone. And to me, that really was surprising, because I remember my stepsister, she would do gymnastics, and when we were talking about the Olympics, or, like, the possibility of her, like, going that serious, people were saying she didn't start young enough. And in my mind, she had started super young. So, yeah, I can see how there is, like, it is valid to because it's about reflexes and that sharpness of mind to start, yeah, but I'm not saying

Unknown:

it's like anything. It's like anything. Why we put people in school, young people in school, then that's because wonder. That's wonderful. If you go back at school at 3040, it's gonna be harder. Yeah, it's the same way. It's doable, it's doable. But like at 30, when you do like, if you do FPS, or anything like, it's gonna be harder, for sure, but, yeah. But like, if I have to give like, if you do your research on it's honestly like, you're gonna find so many people that are like, Faker. Like, Faker is my it's my go to when I do that. But he's the extreme. But statistically and research wise, he's more popular than Lebron James.

Juke:

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the numbers wise,

Unknown:

and number Yeah, and he's, he's more than a millionaire nowadays, you know, yeah, he plays League of Legends. Like, if you think about it, it's a video game, yeah.

Juke:

And the other, the second thing I wanted to say, you talked about, like, the validity of competing and stuff like that. And I think that for a lot of people, they don't necessarily see how big it can be. So I invite you, if you have a kid who's serious about gaming and who wants to compete, or, you know, even if you're not a parent, it could be a partner or whatever, to research, to just do a quick Google about seeing the competitions that that happen in Korea, the or in

Unknown:

Asian, whatever game, whatever game they're interested in,

Juke:

just show them. Because one thing that I thought was really interesting was with my mom when Chris was competing, when Chris and I were like more at the beginning of a relationship, he was doing competitions for League of Legends, and I was in Paris with my mom, and I had shown her, like the tournaments that happen in the more Asian countries, and how big they are, the stadiums and how full they are. And I had shown her pictures and videos to show her how epic it gets, because she had asked about mystics competitions, and if there was money to be there was a little money. It was with friends. So yeah, but she had asked. She had shown curiosity, so I showed her how big it can get in certain countries. And then a few days later, we're still in Paris, and my boyfriend is obviously not in Paris with me, and I'm like sad because he can't be on a call with me because he's, he's in a practice, or what we call a scrim, and I, I'm not actually sad, like, I completely understand, I have full respect for the competition, but I'm with my mom in Paris, and I'm just trying to be like, cute and look for a bit of like, fake sympathy. And I make it like fake sad face. And I'm like, Oh, my boyfriend can talk to me because she's practicing, you know? And I'm like, you know, I'm clearly fake sad about it, but, like, I'm clearly still looking to for sympathy. But my mom just goes well, if he was an Olympian, you wouldn't be complaining that he's practicing. And I was like, what? I was not expecting that from my mom, who, like, we'd never had a gaming console in our house. Gaming was just not a topic. And all of a sudden she's just like, well, Juke, if he was an Olympian, you wouldn't be complaining that he's practicing. And I'm like, I clearly fully respected. And I was like, I wasn't actually sad, I completely understood. But I was like, hello, I was not expecting that

Unknown:

from my mom. Yeah, the one thing I was just saying is that be open minded about it, yeah, do your research like you were you would do if you want to plot crops. You know, it's no but, like, you know what I mean? I'm finally, like, I'm generalizing. It's just, it's a thing in life, yeah, of course.

Juke:

Well, I think this was a great episode. Thank you so much for joining. It's my pleasure. It was fun. Yeah, so listeners out there, if you want to find more getting gamers, you want to go look at our glossary. You can go on getting gamers calm. You can find me on social media, most social media platforms, at Juke, underscore ish. So for today's segment of people, I want to plug. I'm going to plug once again. Last Station cafe in Montreal, the Beaconsfield train station. They are wonderful people. They they make their own oat milk in house. All their pastries and everything are homemade. Well, homemade. They're a company like company made and it is so delicious. A cute little cafe in the Beaconsfield train station, and they are very delicious. Oh, yeah, Chris has been there. We've been there a few times. Yes, the toasted oat milk was my favorite. Of course.

Unknown:

The toasted oat milk and the sandwiches are, they're all, like, vegan, but they're, like, surprisingly, really delicious.

Juke:

They are no, I love everything they serve. And like one of the owners, is my friend. So like on my birthdays, she's brought me treats from her cafe. And everybody that's on my birthday always adores the treats. They're always so they're a gun in 30 seconds. Oh yeah, they go so fast. There's never any leftovers. So just to be clear, I said that Instagram is last national cafe. It's la dot station, dot cafe. I know I'm saying it in French, but it's L, A, dot, S, T, A, T, I O N, dot cafe. It's going to be in the description, of course, and until next time, Gigi. Gigi, good luck. A fad. Our podcast art was made by the wonderful Arielle, who can be found on Instagram at profit opossum. And our intro natural music was made by David festiian from thestian studios.com

Unknown:

you the job's done.