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24 - The Witcher (from Game to Tv Show) w/ Absynth

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Juke is joined by Absynth to dive into The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and its transition into the The Witcher.

From monster contracts to messy timelines, they break down what works (and what doesn’t) when a game becomes a TV show. Along the way, the conversation drifts into chaotic laughs, strong opinions, and the kind of side tangents that only happen when you’re talking about a world this big.

If you’ve played the games, watched the show, or just love fantasy storytelling — this one’s for you.


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Juke:

Getting gamers. Hello and welcome to getting gamers, your guide to understanding the gamers in your life. I'm your host Juke, and today I am joined by my very dear friend, absent. Hello, hello. Epson, how you doing good?

Unknown:

I mean, we've been chilling for a couple of hours.

Juke:

Yeah, we had to, like, get ourselves to record, because the rest we were just gonna talk. So as per tradition. I mean, I have to find a different way to intro this, because so far, every guest I've said as per tradition. But how about you tell us where your gamer tag comes from?

Unknown:

So, yeah, Absynth comes from. Well, originally it was abstract synthesis, but I'm also, yeah,

Juke:

oh my god, I'm sorry. I Okay. Can I be really straightforward and tell you what my assumption was gonna be? Oh, no. I was gonna write it down on a paper to predict it. Yeah, no, I was

Unknown:

just about to say but he kind of turned it turned into the fact, because I'm a heavy drinker, it kind of works both ways. But originally, yes, it was abstract synthesis, put together, abstract synthesis. Yeah, it was like, I love that. I kind of wanted it to be like my business name, like the name of my like business or if I ever I open one, like coding things and stuff like that. So it'd be like, Absynth works types, type of thing. I don't know that was, that was the idea when I came up with it, because before that, it was doubler, double or, like, da, underscore, blur. No, no. We're talking about like, 2000 10s.

Juke:

This is a thing I didn't expect with this whole like having guests explain whether, because this is like I was telling you earlier, purely selfish. I just love finding out what people's gamer tags come from. But what I've been loving is with people who have game for a while, is finding out what it used to be when they were younger. Because for me, I started gaming older. So my gamer tag didn't evolve, really, right? Yeah, there's no evolution there. Yeah, I get that again. I've been loving this. The blur. I was not expecting that for you.

Unknown:

Look, I was playing card four at

Juke:

the time is blur, something in

Unknown:

code for No, no. It's just

Juke:

because you go fast.

Unknown:

Yeah, that was the idea sniper in that game. I don't know why the bullet went fast.

Juke:

Okay, no, I love it. No. If I if I had had to create a game attack when I was younger, God knows what it was, because I had experimented with so many nicknames in sixth grade alone, I think my nickname changed three times because I kept changing. I was Snoopy, like the dog. I was Pinky. Oh my god, you're wearing Charlie Brown songs, oh my god, like for one year, my my cake was Snoopy, everything. Then it was Pinky for something. I never liked pink. My whole life. I hated pink. Was it you that changed it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was always me. I was always like, and then what's up on one of my my best friend and I, we just went by like Abby and Ashley for a while,

Unknown:

sure, I guess not. Our name new.

Juke:

Anyway, okay, okay, so abstract synthesis. I was not expecting that.

Unknown:

I love it. Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting, and it's a fun story as well.

Juke:

Yeah, oh, my God, I judge you so quickly.

Unknown:

No, no, but I made it so that it made sense both ways.

Juke:

Oh, it works so well though. Oh, I love that. Okay, cool. Okay, so you were saying something earlier. When I was saying that I don't consider myself a gamer. I thought you considered yourself a gamer. Well, yeah.

Unknown:

So what I was saying earlier, I consider myself an ex gamer. So like, I have put a lot of hours into gaming. And like, you know, my childhood, like, I started gaming on my father's lap at three years old, yeah? And like, I mean, I would play Age of Empires too, if anybody knows that, yeah. Like, it's a game that came out in 1999 like, I basically played since the 2000s like, and I was, like, five years old, or whatever.

Juke:

Are you? Because I've no, I know a few people that, like, wanted some of their first memories. If they had, like, a dad who gamed or whatever was, like gaming under dad's lab. Yeah, one of your

Unknown:

I don't remember, okay, but I've been told multiple times. So yeah, and like, I used to there was this putt, putt game. I don't know if you know game puck put but, like, it came out of a cereal box or something. And I played a lot of that game.

Juke:

The only cereal box game I remember playing, is it was a Lion

Unknown:

King, yeah, it could be. I mean, like, there was those games were bad, but they were fun, yeah.

Juke:

But for a kid that didn't grow up with gaming, they were like, pretty cool. For me, they were like,

Unknown:

okay, but like, you played, like, three of them, and they were like, all the same format, the same thing, type of thing, okay? Yeah, but anyway, all that to say is, in recent years, I've kind of like stopped gaming. Like, I mean, I think I gamed a really old Star Wars game. I don't even remember the name anyway, but that was like last year. Like, oh, November, last year. Okay, so, so

Juke:

ex gamers because, like, you had to get yourself to quit, or ex gamers because you just kind of lost touch.

Unknown:

I kind of, I don't know the other things are going on in life, and, yeah, just, I don't know. I usually get home from work and I'm just exhausted, so lay in front of in front of TV sometimes, yeah, and your whole

Juke:

job is computers, yeah,

Unknown:

that's the other thing. Like, I work in it. So, like, yeah, you know, if I don't have to touch a computer or fix something, yeah,

Juke:

I see, no, I get that. It's like me, I'm a landscaper, and my plants are super neglected. I mean, no, but you have a lot of them, though, yeah, and that's why you can't immediately tell that they're neglected. But like, I don't know which order these episodes are coming to come out, but my friend Mary fake is gonna be in one of these interviews when she comes over, she feels bad for my plan, because we went to horticulture school together, yeah?

Unknown:

But like you said, when you work in it all the time, it's or, like, all day, it's like, okay, you know what? Forget it. Sometimes I open my computer there's an error. I'm like, close computer. I mix things all day. Yeah. So, I mean, it's not that I don't game anymore, but it's that, like, it's not a primary part of my life. Actually, what I do a lot now is I listen to, like, video series or video documentaries on YouTube of games, so like Fallout or, you know, The Witcher, like, whatever game that I didn't play, you know, like, I listen to, like, people's idea of it and stuff. Yeah, so that's my fun.

Juke:

See, I've not, I'm not at the point in my gaming journey where I watch, or have the patience to watch gameplay, like, sometimes when we go to bed, like my boyfriend and I are cuddling, and we'll have, like, what's called, we call back time where, like, we watch something on the phone, and if it's his algorithm, like, sometimes there's like, yeah, there's that kind of stuff that comes up, yeah? And he's like, oh, did you see that? And I'm like, What? No, I did not.

Unknown:

Actually, I was talking about Age of Empires too, right? Like, there's still a community of people playing, and it's been updated and all that. And there's like, a competitive scene. So sometimes I like, clue in, like, there's actually a tournament, like, now happening that's hosted by like, the guy that I listen to all the time. I'm not gonna shout him out, but yeah, like, so it's really interesting to see, like being able to play the game, and then watching people at a competitive level, like the actions per minute, the the ap m is insane in that game

Juke:

anyway, see. But that's interesting to me, because even games I've played, like heart stone, I played for a good while, and I played with people and stuff, and stuff like that. I'd played in a little friendly tournament, and I lost, but, you know, I played even that, like, when I got I got my boyfriend into heart stone when we first started dating, and he was starting to watch content. So I was like, oh, you know, trying to watch content. And you know, when you're reading a book and you realize, like, you read the page, but you didn't actually read it, you know, like, oh yeah, your eyes all the time. Looked at the lead words one by one. I don't read that much, yeah, so I feel like that is even though I knew the game, like I was capable of understanding it the same way I'm capable of reading a book. I was looking at it, but I was not

Unknown:

like, yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, like, I said my brain was blank, yeah, blank. But there's also a difference, like, a like, I watch a lot more, like, video series documentaries, type style things, so it's like, about the game, or, like, people's opinions on the game. So like, I watch this other YouTuber, again, won't shut them out, but

Juke:

you can, unless they're problematic or something.

Unknown:

Oh no, they're not actually really interesting people.

Juke:

I like, I shout out people all the time,

Unknown:

okay, but anyway, like, I was on my way here, I was watching, like, Fallout three versus Fallout four content. And, like, it's a very controversial thing Not, not fall out for, sorry, like Fallout New Vegas, that's the one I played. Yeah, exactly, exactly, and like, from my person, my understanding, and also, like, I've played a little bit of it, like I didn't finish the game, but yeah, like, Fallout four is just Fallout, sorry, New Vegas is just so much better. Yeah. Hmm, then Fallout three. But people, like, will die on a hill for Fallout three. Oh yeah, the best. Oh, damn, I want to try it, though. Yeah, no, do do. But, like, the Fallout series is such an interesting, like series to talk about, because, like, there's one and two that came out, like before Age of Empires too. So, like, before the 2000s and then the game publisher, like, went bankrupt. It was bought out by, like, the IP was bought out by Bethesda, okay? And then that's when they made Fallout three. And then Fallout New Vegas was made by Obsidian, which, like, another game, yeah, company and basically, like they, they basically took the engine we had talked about that a little bit like same engine as Fallout three, and just remade a game that, story wise, was just so much better. Again, my opinion, then Fallout three and then Fallout four. Bethesda did that one, I believe. And I personally don't like the game mechanics. I'd like, I've actually played that. Yeah, there's base building in there, and it's, I mean, so, like, it's an, it's an RPG, right?

Juke:

So base building is, like, your home base,

Unknown:

yeah, exactly. So you pick a spot, and then you can, like, level it up, send people to it, or whatever. Like, there's this whole the earlier games didn't have that, no,

Juke:

but I played New Vegas. Yeah, I'm

Unknown:

talking about Fallout four, like the one after New Vegas. Oh, yeah, I know, my bad, but yeah. So it goes like, three New Vegas four and then 76 which don't, let's not talk about it. And I think they're coming out with a five at some point, if it's not already out, I don't know.

Juke:

But, oh, you know. No, no, sorry, no. I thought they were, I was gonna say, yeah, they are, but no, they're working on the new season

Unknown:

fall out. Yeah, which, yeah, it's a great show, yeah, like, they hit those beats. Like, actually the show, even though they did it slightly different, a bit like the Witcher every like, it's ever so slightly different than the stories. But in Fallout, every game is a different character. So it kind of makes sense that, like, the show doesn't follow the like, the same beats or the same like story as the game, whereas I think the Witcher, if you don't follow the game, like, what are you doing with your life type of thing? Yeah, all right, so that's why a lot of people you know didn't like the third season,

Juke:

yeah, which I did not watch. I did not watch it either. I don't know anyone who watched once Henry Havel was gone,

Unknown:

yeah, well, I'm sorry the guy was such a fan of The Witcher he got to play, I know. Yeah, and go. And then he says, No, I don't like the way the story is going. It's not following the game.

Juke:

What the fuck up? I know we swear on this podcast. I don't mind when games don't follow. When shows on perfectly follow a game. I'm biased, right? I'm not a gamer. And it's like, technically, it's not necessarily, like the show's not made for me. It's, it's the target audience is to please the gamers most of the time, service so I get it, you know, wait, not the bad way, yeah. But you know, like, I remember a Resident Evil show or movie came out and people were upset that the actor playing Leon was not white, and I was like, Really, like Leon, there's so much because I played some Resident Evil, but like my the partner I had at the time was so passionate about Resident Evil, and so I knew a lot about Leon, and most of what Leon is is has to do with his essence, not his looks necessarily. Yeah, he's a hot guy, but he's pretty generic hot guy on in the game.

Unknown:

And what you're saying that

Juke:

can't be hot, no, he is hot, but that's what I'm saying, is that, like, Leon's look is not a signature look. He's a generic hot guy. So any hot guy can do the job, whether he's white or Latino or, you know, as long as the actors hot, he's a he got Leon's look down. You know, in my opinion, as well, it's the essence of Leon that you have to get. And I think that actor did a good job. In my opinion, I would have to re watch it.

Unknown:

But like, I think, sorry, Tinder, but I think that, like, people are just upset that it doesn't look like the person like, I mean, really like a character is speech and the way they make like people feel like, there's very few characters that have to be a certain grace or. Whatever, yeah. Like, I mean, unless, like, the plot revolves around it, I guess. But even

Juke:

that, even there, like, if I remember correctly, the writers or the creators of Grey's Anatomy, which was a huge show, from what I remember, is written in a way where race and stuff like that is not determined before the audition, yeah, but that

Unknown:

was a soap opera. Yeah, soap operas need to be able to swap people out.

Juke:

Yeah, that too, but, but I think it's, I think it shows, like, because Grey's Anatomy was so big and popular that you don't need to pre plan the ethnicity necessarily, as long as, like, like, I know that certain shows got critiqued for not addressing certain, like, realities of being that ethnicity for that character.

Unknown:

That's fair, but that's something you could write a couple of seasons in when that character is, or that actor is, like, solidified as that character.

Juke:

Yeah. So for me, the essence of a character has a lot more. And then some characters, like, if you go on Borderlands, the movie Borderlands that was made. I liked it. But a lot of the characters in borderlines, they have signature looks. Well, yeah, but

Unknown:

you could still take that and, like, slap the

Juke:

look on a different ethnicity, and it would, and you would still understand it, yeah, the same way that, like, people of all sorts of ethnicities can cosplay Jinx, and you understand, I mean, from arcane, yes, but now we're talking about that earlier. That's why we're getting so vague. But as listeners, you can tell I don't know if this is going to be the first of this format out, probably because it's the first recorded where I like to address something, a crossover between gaming and my life that satisfies me is that I watch a lot more TV than I play games. So I've so there's plenty of games that I haven't necessarily played, but I've been willing to watch the show or the movie or whatever.

Unknown:

Well, we were talking about it earlier, like, arcane, yeah? Like I have never played law in my life, yeah,

Juke:

League of Legends. I've like, tried it, but it's just not my vibe.

Unknown:

Yeah, maybe once, and I was, like, really not my thing. And the people there that play that game are sweaty. So, like, what does that mean? Oh, they're, like, really intense when they play. I have

Juke:

heard that's funny, because I have heard that the community of League of Legends is meaner toxic. Yeah, it's, so far it seems to be that unanimous across everybody I've spoken to, which I feel bad to say, because I don't want to be the voice. Like naming, no, I'm not someone depends

Unknown:

on specific people, but in general, yes, I would agree, like people who played wall, intense people?

Juke:

Yeah. Well, I remember mystic when, when mystic was mystics, my boyfriend's gamer tag, when he was competing in law, when we first started dating. I said, Good luck, have fun. And he says, Oh, you don't say that in law, yeah. And then I was like, What do you mean? He's like, people would laugh you out of the room if you say that. And then I was like, what? And I was like, What are you saying? Tell me to go destroy my enemies. And so whenever we would have a game, I say, Okay, go destroy your enemies. Maybe. What the hell that's so bad. Like, my boyfriend's not a toxic gamer, but he's just, like, trying to teach me how to fit in in each community.

Unknown:

But that's interesting, right? Like that. That is, like, I didn't know that, and that's like, I would never get into that, like, sphere of gaming, right? Like, obviously I play, if I do play mostly RPGs, like role playing games or, like, story driven stuff. But, like,

Juke:

no, yeah, I can't, because I think that, like, that kind of community, or toxicity in the gaming community, is the stereotype that a lot of people have about gamers. But for me, like what ended up really attracting me, because I did, you know, know some toxic gamers and stuff like that. I I don't know if we heard that breaking, but I figured I'd stop. Yeah, but what did start attracting me to get gaming and the gaming community, and gamers in particular, was like the more wholesome parts of the community. And I do intend on making an episode on like the power of wholesomeness, but for me, the best example of that is grubby. I don't know if you know grubby. He's a streamer. He plays Warcraft. World of Warcraft. No, not Warcraft three, the one that's like, strategy, not big online. Yeah, it's

Unknown:

actually very similar to lol style,

Juke:

but you're like, building bases and and you have resources and little minions who gather wood for you. It's Warcraft. So it's not LOL, is. Mobile, yeah, and Warcraft three is an RTS,

Unknown:

oh yeah, okay. RTS, like real time strategy, yes. And a bit like Age of Empires,

Juke:

oh yeah, okay, yes, exactly. Because for me, Warcraft three, I come, I've been taught to compare it to Starcraft.

Unknown:

Yep, I It's all in the same it's all the same style. Game, you have resources, you collect the resources, you build your army, and then you, yeah, destroy the other person. Yeah, exactly.

Juke:

So grubby plays that. And he was, like, really big and competitive. And then, and then, from what I understand, you know, he had took a break, and then he went more into streaming. And then he, but he's so wholesome, he has a side webcam for his dog aimed on the dog bed, yeah. And Logan is, like, loved by all, of course. And, and there was moments where, in between games, he would tell everyone to get up and do five squats, because, you know, he wants to take care. And, like, in chat, he cares about, like, you know, people are respecting each other. You know, sometimes people in chats can get wild. He moderates his chat and like, he when he, when he catches people, like, saying, Hey, don't be like that. He's, he's not mean about it. He's like, hey, like, Let's respect each other. And I love grubby with a passion. I am so uninterested in RTSs, I'm so uninterested in Warcraft. Perfection used to watch a lot of grubby, probably, he probably was still watch as a ton of grubby. So it was often on, and I would end up like, sitting down. I learned so much about Warcraft just because I loved grubby so much. Yeah, I love him. And I think, like, if more people in the community try to set that example. Like, honestly, though the world be a better, yeah,

Unknown:

absolutely no. Okay, I will finally shout one person out in the Age of Empires two community, T, 90, T, 90, yeah, like, T and the number 90. Okay, he basically started, like, really, like, just as a side thing, kind of, like, casting, like, matches or whatever, okay, but like, now he's grown into, like, he's literally doing main events and stuff and, like, casting those events, and it's really, really cool and but anyway, like, he is so wholesome as well, like, it's not The same as grubby that, like, no, like, dog cam or whatever. Yeah, cat cam, but no dog cam or anything like that. But like, he really, it's important to him that the community stays, like, inviting for new players, especially for like, a 25 year old game. 27 year old game, actually, like, you know, the fact that there's still a community and that support him, like, to the point where, like, he's, that's his job. Yeah, it's crazy.

Juke:

Oh, I love when there's people like that, like, even grubby, like, he because him too. Warcraft is a very old game, and he's trying to like, he often puts efforts into trying to like, revive interest in the game, same thing. And, and so there's times where, like, he's helping training other streamers to and making like a friendly tournament or stuff like that, you know. And, but there are times where people, like, there are other streamers who are like, let's say less wholesome who end up like trying to have, try to have beef with grub, because they're, you know, sore losers, yeah, but, and he always, you know, he's just like, ah, you know, people be, you know, raging. You know, he doesn't give in. And even once I saw him, this one guy was quite disrespectful and and you saw that he was like, You know what? You know what? I wasn't gonna say anything, but I'm gonna say something kind of like that was the mood he was on. And then he got, he saw you, because he reads the chat, you know. So he saw a message in the chat and got distracted by it. And you could see, like, I felt like I saw him, decide I'm gonna let this. Saw him get like, like, I was so excited, because I was like, oh my god, grubby is gonna because, you know, I'm like, oh my god, grubby is gonna give you give me drama, you know, like, oh my god, it's happening, because he's never does it. And and then he just let himself get distracted by chat and talking about and then he and I was, like, holding on to the edge of my seat being like, oh my god, this is there actually gonna be drama. And I was like, he did it. He like, cooled himself. He had he's so inspiring. I love a lot of self control. I know I'm live cam, you know, yeah, I love it so much. Oh man.

Unknown:

Well, there's a reason why I stopped playing first person shooters, like war zone. I would get so upset, oh yeah,

Juke:

like, smashing your keyboard.

Unknown:

Type, no, no, no, no, never. Hey, my keyboard costs$200 No, but like, I've never been, like, the type of person that throws their control or whatever, but like, I would smack, like, the the desk and stuff like that. And like, I would legit be true. Drinking at the same time. That Never a good combination. So, like, I was not fun to be around or to play with, yeah. So, like, I put it down. The rest of my friends, this was over covid, obviously. So like, you know, this was one of the ways that we kept in touch. But like, at some point I was like, I can't, it's not me, you know. Like, so yeah, chill games,

Juke:

yeah, I get that, yeah.

Unknown:

Like, or like, I also play city skylines, which is like a city building game. I don't Oh yeah,

Juke:

oh yeah. I did not expect that from you.

Unknown:

Oh yeah. I love that. It's like a roller coaster tycoon, like, building, but like, I mean, like, you build a city, so like the streets, and you zone the area and stuff like that. It's like a lot of fun. I don't know it's, it's kind of relaxing. So says

Juke:

Sims ever been your thing? No, no more the city building less the people. Oh, yeah, I don't care about the people. You never really have

Unknown:

keep that in there. It's true. I feel like this episode has just like kind of gone

Juke:

everywhere it has. So how about I bring us to actually the title of the episode, yeah, which I think we had decided we were going to talk about the Witcher. Yes. Okay, so the reason, the real reason we're going to talk about the Witcher because we mentioned many TV we mentioned many games or TV shows based off games. But the reason I wanted us to do the Witcher is that I tried to convince Absynth to listen to the Witcher so much because I I like the in season one, when the Bard and The Witcher like meet, and the bard kind of imposes his friendship onto the Witcher. I always say that's how Absynth and I met, because when absent and I met, I at some point we were like, first day of college. We met, and a few days later I told them, told them, we're gonna be friends. Yeah, that's

Unknown:

basically you did that, yes,

Juke:

absent web, I have friends.

Unknown:

That is a very me response, though. And here we are. What? 15 years later.

Juke:

Yeah. Well, where are we? 2026, so 13. We're 13 years Yeah. But so for so long, I wanted absent to listen to the Witcher and all he would say. Every time I know the story, I played the game. I know the story, there's no point in watching this.

Unknown:

I've played for over 400 hours of Witcher three, okay, I've done every single quest like in that game. I know the lore, but the show,

Juke:

it's always different. What I

Unknown:

know now, yes, I know he knows.

Juke:

Now, when I found out you actually watched the show, I think I was kind of offended, because I was like, at this point, I think it would have felt better if he never watched the show. That's fair,

Unknown:

no, but I think I started watching it because of my ex, actually. Oh, yeah, it's just the she wanted to, like, watch it.

Juke:

So I was like, Who doesn't want to watch Henry Cavill? Well, except stubborn little you,

Unknown:

I'm also not attracted.

Juke:

No, you don't have to be attracted to Henry Cavill to be attracted to. Oh, I understand that's fair, actually. Okay, okay. So what's also interesting about the fact that we're doing this topic is that this is a game that I haven't touched. I haven't touched the Witcher at all. I don't, I think I saw someone play the game, like, open the game and move around, but I really don't have any recollection of playing it, okay, but I adored the show. I adored the show, but, like, play the game, but see, fall out, I the show. I adored it, and then I wanted to play the game, but Witcher the show. I adored it, and I didn't get that feeling. And I think it's because, like, Fallout is very straightforward universe in the sense of, like, it's an apocalypse. There's zombie types and this and that. And it's very like to me, very straightforward to conceive the game in my head, whereas the Witcher universe is so big and so much going on that I can't conceive the game as much.

Unknown:

The thing is, like you've watched the show, you've basically encountered more or less everything that you would encounter in the game. Yes, there are some, like Wyverns and stuff like that that like that might not be in the show yet, or at least that I have not seen, but you've seen what was, were, what were those called? Not ants, but the tree thing, the demon tree thing, okay, yeah, those things are scary in the game, yeah? Like, you see them for the first time, and you're like, What the fuck am I fighting right now? And it's like, just like, I. That walking in and being like, I don't even know how to handle this type of monster is kind of part of the fun. On top of that, like, you're, you're following through a story, right? And like, it everything just gets explained. Like, it's not something that you need to understand the way the world works. It's like, okay, there's magic, there's this Witcher thing, whatever. It's a little special, but you've actually seen what that is in the show. Like, yeah, they kind of explained it a little bit. So you're already there.

Juke:

I think a big part of it too is that I can my brain, can easily assume that from from the universe of the show, that the game is going to be overwhelming.

Unknown:

I mean, I did spend four

Juke:

like, I'm a very casual like, I don't consider myself a gamer, but I'm a casual gamer at best. You know, yeah, and like, because I like, I from the show, I can surmise that that the game has a lot of combat, yes, but then, from the magic aspect of the show, I imagine that reflects in combat, mostly, not really, so it's

Unknown:

what you have, like, like, a few like, it's like, lesser magic. I'm doing quotation marks that you cannot see, but it's lesser magic in the sense of like, like, you know, you can, like, push people with, like, a like, it's almost like an air push type of thing, or whatever. Or you could, like, do a bit of fire. But it's not like to the point where, like, a mage and most of those characters you're not really fighting, or it's like, in a cut scene style thing.

Juke:

It's not like, so magic is not that big in the game? No, no, because it's huge in the show.

Unknown:

Yeah, there's a lot of mages and witches and stuff like that, yeah, but they're characters. They're not, oh, like, like, you don't see Geralt use magic for the most part, right? Yeah, the only thing it's like, a little added his mechanic, yeah, no, no. But, like, the in the game, it's just like a little added mechanic, of like, you know, be like, in the combat, you could use different, like, like, a push, pull type of thing, whatever. But instead of just, I have sword, you know, it gets kind of

Juke:

boring, okay, you know, because, because one of the things, like D and D. D is something that I've played. I play well most games. I play like a dumb brute. Oh, really, as much as possible I play a character that doesn't take much skill and that I can just like because no matter the character I play, because I'm not great at navigating in game, I end up in the middle of enemy camps, and in the middle of, like being swarmed, or I walk into being swarmed accidentally, it's crazy. How about I am just so I have no choice to play a big, dumb brute that can hit hard and take a few hits before I figure out how to run away. I can see your character sheet. Yeah. So in DND, like the idea of spells when I say D and D, it's Dungeons and Dragons. It's a role playing game, tabletop game, but the spells and having you know, you have to decide in advance which ones you're Oh, my God,

Unknown:

that's complicated. So actually, can I tell you my last character? Yeah? A naked gnome. Naked GNOME, yeah, naked gnome. Wizard, okay, that's, that's

Juke:

what I went with. Oh, I avoid this buzz that. So that's why, in, in with the Witcher, yeah, all the idea of the magic and all that, oh, that must be so overwhelming. It's not.

Unknown:

It's really not like, honestly, you could get through the entire game without using it at all.

Juke:

Okay, and so is the game a top down game? No, it's a third person. Oh, it's a third person

Unknown:

referencing, I believe your first episode of season

Juke:

two, yeah. Okay, really, a third so. Oh, okay, I wasn't expecting it to be a third person, but I guess that makes sense, yeah,

Unknown:

especially that everybody said that Henry Cavill looked exactly like

Juke:

the character, yeah, like, you see him a lot, really, but it makes sense. But I guess that's why I thought it was top down is because you see him, people saw, yeah,

Unknown:

but top down is, like, it's true. It's like, bird's eye type of thing. You know, that's when you're playing RTSs and stuff like that.

Juke:

You don't see the characters

Unknown:

World of Warcraft. I guess

Juke:

I lose my character all the time in top down games. Oh, so, you know that's valid. Oh, okay, so it's a third person but there's, like, no guns in this show, so it's not a shooter, it's a third person adventure, yeah,

Unknown:

it's an RPG. It's a role playing game, even though

Juke:

you only because in The Witcher, you don't choose your main character.

Unknown:

You get or Yeah, but you are role playing as that character.

Juke:

Oh, okay, you know, I'll google,

Unknown:

yeah, Google, because I don't want to sound like an idiot. Don't do.

Juke:

Podcast, so we googled it, and it's an action open world RPG.

Unknown:

Open world action RPG, okay?

Juke:

Fantasy specifically, and I realize now that when I interviewed Miri Fick, she did mention this. And not only did I do the interview, I edited the episode, and I still didn't remember, because that is how much my brain retains information, especially about gaming, it's just, I just yeah, there's

Unknown:

so much going on too when you're, like, having a conversation. So like, I mean, you can't expect to, like, really remember all the little things, right? And the worst part is,

Juke:

I'm pretty sure that open world is already on our gaming glossary, which means we've already defined it in season one. That's good. I mean, there are many to remember.

Unknown:

Yeah, no. But like, I mean gaming, like, game types are, like, what is this thing? Like, what? What kind of game is this? And then you, like, figure it out from there, really. So, like, it's not that complicated, yeah. So for

Juke:

those who don't remember open world, just kind of means that, like, it's kind of not infinite, but pretty much infinite. Like, there's so many options a very,

Unknown:

very large map, and instead of being like, a guided, like experience. So like, you kind of go through levels type of thing. It's you could basically go anywhere

Juke:

where you got to figure find things

Unknown:

on your own. Yeah, exactly. There's actually something really interesting about open world games is there's two different approach, approaches to building out, like the difficulty scaling, or like, like, early game and late game stuff that happens in those games. Because, like, in theory, you could go anywhere. You could go to the end spot, like, you know, the end of the game, and, like, do that right away, but you'd get killed, yeah, exactly, because you haven't leveled up enough. So actually, we were talking about Fallout earlier. One of the things about Fallout three is that it scales automatically with your level, except for like, very certain, like, specific spots, right? That are, like, supposed to be difficult, right? Whereas New Vegas, like, there's three paths to get to the you're in New Vegas on the Vegas Strip is one of the first like act one's goal to anyway, I'm not gonna go into the whole story here. Sorry, sorry, but there's three paths, right? There's one that's like, really direct, really quick. But to make it hard the game, instead of having like, like enemies that, like, scale with you, like you're fighting death claws, like, at the beginning, big, massive, like beasts,

Juke:

just like really big bad guys. Like, yeah, exactly.

Unknown:

They're, like, the strongest bad guys, theoretically, in the game, right then. Like, you know, there's a nest of them. So, like, you could try going through there, but good luck, you know. And then there's another path that's a little like, kind of like, out of the way, and then, but there's still difficult enemies. And then there's the path that, like, you're kind of supposed to take, that kind of takes you through the story and explains what's going on and everything. So, like, you know, so

Juke:

is Fallout considered open world. Instead of

Unknown:

being a fantasy, it's in post apocalyptic. Yeah, that's the only difference. But this

Juke:

Witcher is fantasy,

Unknown:

yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, The Witcher does that very well. Like, I remember starting the game and being like, Oh, I'm gonna go that way and kind of explore right after you leave the the initial city and stuff like that, and explore, you know, get those quest markers and stuff like that. Bad idea. I got destroyed, and I I kept trying on a boss, like, not a boss, but, like, a quest marker for, like, I don't know, two hours until I was like, I'm clearly not the right level. I don't have the right equipment, so, like, I just kind of went somewhere else, and then I was like, oh, so the game is supposed to be nice and easy at the beginning.

Juke:

Oh, okay, so I guess I haven't played enough open world that I hadn't realized that it's a common thread upon most open world games that, like, it's not you're not like, forced upon that, like leveling structure of the typical games, but you do kind of get, like, pushed towards specific areas by them being more suited for your level.

Unknown:

Yeah, the game design. Yeah, right. Like, that's the entire thing. And what makes open worlds so difficult as a game to make, because there's not, like, you know, you can make an FPS, like a first person shooter, like, you know, it's not hard to make that kind of game. Oh, yeah, okay. I mean, because it's

Juke:

straightforward in the like, programming

Unknown:

of it, yeah, well, not programming, but the game design of it. It's. Like, okay, here's the level, you know, go forward, kill enemies, done, right? Whereas an open world, it's like, okay, well, I want to make a quest that goes there. First of all, I have to make the player, like, find the quest. So that's just really difficult,

Juke:

yeah, it's hard to hint towards.

Unknown:

Yeah, exactly. And you know, like, you spend a lot of time on this quest, you kind of want the player to find this quest, but at the same time, like, you know, there's, there's the main quest that you're kind of following. So sometimes you sprinkle in little like, you know, characters talking about something or whatever, they kind of go, oh, I kind of want to visit the city or whatever, this village. And then you go there, and then it's like, oh, here's

Juke:

this really cool quest type of in games like that. And probably one of the reasons I didn't play The Witcher or that, like my perfection at the time, knew not to make me play, is that when I got to talk to too many people on the game, you know, like, talk to too many different characters, and have to actually care about what they have to say and like, it's, I just get I'm just like, I don't care about you. You're in my way. I don't want to have to remember what you just told me. No, but

Unknown:

it's not remembering. Like, actually, Fallout one is really, really interesting, where you do actually have to do that. But this was before games were more, like, accessible. So, like, it's like, a really old game, I think it came out in 1996 or something like that. And like, like, you had to remember that this character said, Hey, there's a rope over there in like, that city or whatever. Like, literally, they like to get to a building, I think, at one point in the game, like they tell you go on this street and then turn right, and then turn left, and it's the second building. And you're like, how the fuck am I supposed to remember that? You know? But it's a really interesting game. Yeah, that is a top down actually. Oh yeah, we're talking about it. One is a top down game. Yeah, one, one and two are top down games. And then became a third person or first person shooter, I guess in by three, four and New Vegas coming out. I have no clue. I know. I know what your four is coming out in like, this year or next year? Oh yeah, I will not be available. Oh yeah, for 400 hours.

Juke:

So I know people who, when certain big games get released, they book off work.

Unknown:

Yeah, that's me for The Witcher and only the Witcher.

Juke:

Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess I get it, like if there was an artist that was coming that I really wanted to see. It was during work time I would book off work and stuff like that.

Unknown:

Yeah, or regret your life the next day. But, yeah, that's another story.

Juke:

So is there a release date for

Unknown:

the there might be, we might have to

Juke:

Google it. Oh, no, so you don't Okay, so you haven't booked the time yet. But no, no, are you going? Are you planning on, it's okay if we don't have the release date, but, like, basically, you're the type that, like, you're booking once you have the release date, yeah?

Unknown:

Or, like, look, I usually don't buy games, like, straight off, like, when it gets like, when it comes out. Okay, this one I might, yeah, I might have to update my graphics card, which is gonna cost some money, but that's another story.

Juke:

Why do I feel like every gamer says that?

Unknown:

Oh no, but I have a Okay, I have the first RTX series card, 2070, super. So, like, yeah, anyway, sorry, maybe the audience will know. But like, it was the first RTX card. So that's ray tracing. It's basically when graphics went like, whoa, beautiful, and you can see like reflections and mirrors, whereas a lot of games didn't have that before. Wait, what?

Juke:

Oh, don't you just code it in.

Unknown:

No, no, no, I do code. I had to do a ray trace. Like, like, just like a

Juke:

character looking in the mirror, yeah. So why don't you just flip the image and paste it doesn't work that way,

Unknown:

no, but it's also like lighting and stuff like that, right? So, like, I mean, it's not just like your character, there's a bunch of lighting going on, and basically ray tracing is you're tracing the light beams and, like, that's how it's, like, shading everything and doing all that. Like, it's really amazing technology, and it's, like, really taxing. Like, before the RTX cards came out, the the like, the only like, the only time you would use ray tracing is for static images. That's how like compute intensive. That is right anyway, to say, my graphics card is the first like generation of that, and now they're on Gen four, which is the 5000 series. So yeah, I need, I need to update, yeah.

Juke:

But again, I feel like so many gamers say that, but in reality, their gamers, their graphics card, can take it.

Unknown:

They're just being well, yeah, if you lower the settings, but part

Juke:

of the game, you have to lower the settings of the Yeah, to be able to the graphic setting. Yeah. And like, See, I never touched those.

Unknown:

Well, when your frame rate starts dropping, yeah, kind

Juke:

of, how do I tell what does that mean? Choppy? When the like, the it's not flowing, the image is getting

Unknown:

Yeah, I think you discussed during the FPS episode that was really awesome, by the way, the the the like, the frames per second. So there's, like, when it's competitive, usually you'll be in the range of, like, you know, would you want to be in a range of 120 to 200 so, like, basically, there's more frames than your eye can see. And there's this whole debate about 60 frames per second and 120 frames per second and all per second and all that. But like, if you're playing a role playing game, and especially the Witcher, which is just a beautiful game, like, it's like, I think it came out in 2015 or something, with the Witcher three. And like, yeah, the graphics look dated. But it's just like, sometimes you're riding your horse and, like, you stop and you just look at, like, the scenery that's going on, and it's just beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, yeah. It's so like, for that kind of game, it's worth, like, getting a graphics card that can run at ultra settings, yeah, if it can

Juke:

see, I'm not at a point where I would buy a graphics card for a game look, but I completely understand

Unknown:

any game. Like, I mean,

Juke:

well, I mean, but I completely understand it. Because, like, This podcast is a personal project in in for most people in my life, this podcast is a hobby, so couldn't compare it to gaming, and I immediately invested quite a bit in proper equipment for the podcast. So I totally get it to buy equipment for a hobby, which you know, is basically, yeah, I'm just yeah, like,

Unknown:

my graphics card is like, six years old.

Juke:

Like, it's, yeah, I think mine is about that old as well, but I don't care. Do you know which one you have? I mean, my PC is right there. We could open it. I don't remember, okay, I built my own PC. I like very I took so much time choosing each piece and everything, but remembering all those different like, make them, call them, you know, Jerry,

Unknown:

no, that's not how

Juke:

that remember. But this code name,

Unknown:

no, but like, it means some every night I know things like, yeah, yeah, I'm just being baby. No, it's okay, but I will put Okay. I won't put money, but I will bet that you have a 1080 a GTX 1080

Juke:

that sounds like something. I recognize it.

Unknown:

That is a 10 year old card. I believe. No, is it? I don't know when it came out, but it is a solid ass card, like it is fucking good. It's still, it can still run games like these, like nowadays, really well, just not with our like RTX, yeah, so that's, that's the only thing. Maybe that's why you don't know what the difference is between RTX and not RTX.

Juke:

Okay, no, it's still, I still wouldn't know anyway, even if I bought an RTX card, I would have bought it because, you know, my research told me to, but not because I understood what the RTX meant. Pictures prettier.

Unknown:

I say that with love.

Juke:

Okay, wait, because we talked a lot about the game, but we didn't talk much about the show. And I am so curious about your impressions on the show, because you had been so stubborn.

Unknown:

So actually, about that, one of the things that I didn't understand very much in the show was the whole obelisk thing.

Juke:

I don't remember the obelisk well.

Unknown:

That's the reason why the other dimensiony thingies were coming through, right like these obelisks were. Look, I've watched this a little while ago there, so I'm not like, super clear on this, but like, from my understanding, these obelisks caused, like, the dimensions, or they were like, locators for the other dimension to come in, right, which had all the monster things, which, like, I kind of like the premise, it's not, I don't believe it's in any of the games. So they did, like, take a bit of liberty there, but like, it was still true to form in the sense of, like, I could. See this kind of thing happening, like, there's in the game, there's the white hunt, The Wild Hunt, which is like a nother similar interdimensional thingy that comes and hunts somebody down. And, like, it's very scary thing, and whatever. And Siri helps. Like, change the world, whatever, like, stop this, right? But they were hunting Siri, so Gerald had to, like, save her, or keep watch on her. But then she was in her teeny phase, so, like, she fucked off. Yeah, it was a whole complicated thing, but yeah,

Juke:

so wait, so, yeah,

Unknown:

sorry, I'm talking about the game again.

Juke:

So the if you the show, did you feel like when you watched it? You were like, Okay, no, I did know all of this.

Unknown:

I knew the lore. I understood everything that was going on in the show.

Juke:

But could you see the future, kind of,

Unknown:

can you predict? Yeah, well, up until season two, like, definitely, I was able to predict that there was gonna be, like a moment where, like, everything was gonna go to shit, and it's gonna be like Gerald standing against the this, like, you know, real, it

Juke:

wasn't to the point where, like, they're gonna hook up, he's gonna die. Well, you know,

Unknown:

yes and no. So like, the whole love thing between Gerald and Jennifer Yennefer, yeah, that's definitely in the games. It is. What's funny, though, is in the games, you could pick between Jennifer and golden bird, golden the the red haired, okay, okay, yeah. Like, there's, like, a bunch of different mages that, like, you could actually choose to, like, actually go out or, like, based on your

Juke:

some romance.

Unknown:

It's actually, actually, in the games, there's nudity. You could go to a brothel. You could pay to go to a brothel in those games, oh yeah. And you see some stuff,

Juke:

not everything, really. So is it because I remember when I was younger? I don't, I'm not sure, but it's a GTA that there was sex like you could, like, you don't. You didn't see graphic sex, but you saw them go and you saw the like, car shake or whatever, and you knew that they were having sex kind of thing, Oh, yeah. Is there that in The Witcher? No, no.

Unknown:

Like, I mean, you see them getting in bed and, like, starting to kiss, naked, naked. They have, like, boxers or panties or whatever, but like, tits out, man,

Juke:

yeah. I did not

Unknown:

expect Yeah. You see Jennifer, you see like, yeah, I swear to God, now you're interested.

Juke:

No, I wasn't expecting that, because I guess, okay, I get, I get faced with my biases all the time, right? When I like, years ago, maybe a decade ago, I realized that, like, Star Wars that I had never watched was not just a pew pew movie. There was like, a story, yeah, and my friend, we were, like, in Quebec City, and she sat me down. She's like, Okay, well, since you're never gonna, since you seem to never want to watch them, can I just, like, tell you the story, since I love the the show? I'm like, Sure. And she's like, tell me. And I'm this love story and this drama

Unknown:

and this with Anakin Skywalker. And you think I remember, did you ever end up watching I did.

Juke:

I would disagree with the order was exposed to me in I think when you expose someone to a franchise for the first time, you should do it in order of release, give them the experience of what Chris got, and then, if they like it, they can explore with different orders of rewatch. Yes, but I would, I did in the other order, because that was what was selected. And so I just got so fed up. I Yeah.

Unknown:

I mean, it hits different, yeah.

Juke:

But for my whole life, I was so, like, uninterested in it that, like, I think I just biased myself all the way, but, but so on that, I think I was, I had a similar bias with the Witcher, where I thought it was very action based and very focused on combat. Because I think of game when I think of like, taking a show like that and putting it into a game, it has a lot to do with combat. And to be fair, like Fallout, which I did play, the one I had, I don't think there was romance.

Unknown:

No. Fallout doesn't really do romance, no, so the ones I had

Juke:

been exposed to, yeah, so yeah, I just am really surprised to find out that there's like, sexy stuff

Unknown:

in the way. Oh, yeah, no. And like, you think you thought that it was like a Pew, pew or sortie sword. Yeah, sorry. Sword does have two swords. So sorry, but, yeah, you thought that it was just that, like, it was

Juke:

mainly like, like, you know, some story and stuff on the way

Unknown:

to combat. There's so much lore. Like, it's crazy, especially when you do all the little side missions, like, I remember one, like, it's. Is a little later in the game. And like, you go to this house of this rich dude, okay, and then, like, he doesn't let you in, you go to, like, a bandit camp that wants to, like, fuck up that house. And like, then you're able to get in, right? Okay, because it's part of the quest. But like, you break down the door type of thing, and it's like an abandoned house. It's really weird. And you literally fight like the Undertaker, and that's just like a side quest. That's not the main quest. Okay, you spent like, 234, hours, like, on this quest, and it's like a really cool, like, sub story of the main story. And I was, I was a bit of an idiot. I did all the quest, like the side quests before. So, like, I got to the main mission, and I was like, way

Juke:

too strong, yeah. I've done that in certain games before where I'm like, oh, distracted by the shiny side quests, yeah.

Unknown:

And then you're like, Oh, the main mission was way too easy, yeah. And I feel like it should have been a lot more impactful?

Juke:

Yeah, that's, that's a tricky part of, I guess, open open world, yeah, okay,

Unknown:

requesting, really, okay, in general,

Juke:

yeah, okay, so did you like the show? I liked the show again.

Unknown:

I have not watched season three because did we talk? I don't even remember anymore. But did we talk about Henry Cavill or whatever? Okay, yeah, but

Juke:

that's the thing is, I don't know anyone who watched season three, sadly, right? And never give it a try at some point, honestly, maybe.

Unknown:

But like, I'm sure he did a good job. I didn't hear good things, yeah, but

Juke:

people are so good. You people hated Rings of Power, and they are stupid. Rings of Power is amazing.

Unknown:

I haven't watched it,

Juke:

I know, but it's amazing. Okay, I

Unknown:

first have to re watch the three Lord of the Rings.

Juke:

No, I think, well, maybe it depends how long it's because I do, like, yearly re watches. Okay, next time, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm solo re watching. Well, no, my boyfriend, because I he watched Lord of the Rings for the first time with me. So what I know? I know, I I know. I know

Unknown:

played a bunch of games that he'd be like, what? You haven't played this.

Juke:

But no, me too. I was like, I can't believe I'm dating you. You never watched I don't think that's happened to me before. You have to

Unknown:

understand, like, juke has a scarf, yeah? Lord of the ring scarf. And you should have seen how happy they were when they got that scarf.

Juke:

I have a scarf. That's the map of Middle Earth, yeah? And, like, true fans, even when it's all scrunched around my neck, will, like, notice just a corner of it and be like, is that what I think it is? And then I whip it out. Like, yes, I'm glorious. No, you're just a hobbit. Yeah? And to be fair, I hadn't I watched a Lord of the Rings because my ex in high school sat me down. It was like, No, you have to watch this. So I was also late, not as late as my current boyfriend, yeah, but I was also late compared to the people in my life at the time,

Unknown:

I watched Lord of the Rings. Probably, I don't even remember the first time I watched it. My dad had the box set, oh, yeah, like the extended edition. We sat down and he's like, you're watching this. I don't think I've ever

Juke:

not watched the extended version

Unknown:

there are, as I heard somebody tell it, you might get hunted down and killed

Juke:

if you think that non extended versions are as accessible like the extended versions are more accessible in my

Unknown:

I actually video essay, or whatever. Thing that I watched about that says that the one and two is okay to watch, like, not extended edition, so regular, but three, apparently they leave out, like, some really important scenes. Oh yeah, like the the scene in Return of the King, where Saruman falls down

Juke:

the tower, they cut it. Yeah, it's not there, because he does fall for quite a bit. He could fall for less long, but he just cut all

Unknown:

No no, but, like, they cut the fact that he gets stabbed, or anything like, you just don't see those characters no more. Oh, right. Right. Interesting. And I think the tomato eating thing

Juke:

from cut out the tomato eating I'm so fucking passionately against it. Oh no, I love I hate it,

Unknown:

no but Dennis, such as, how are we talking about Lord of the Rings? But listen, we're here now.

Juke:

And I just want to clarify that I hate it, but it means that the artist did a good job. Right? If it's making me as uncomfortable as it's making me, is because the artist did a good job, and so I respect the choice. I still rather skip through it. But the people I watch never let

Unknown:

me skip through it. No, I if we're watching it together, we're watching and

Juke:

the thing is, I, like my ex, which I would do yearly, re watches with, never let me skip through the tomato scene. And then when. Watched it this time around. He with my my boyfriend. He was like, Well, I've never seen it so you can. Oh, yeah, no, you have to. And so I'm like, Jesus Christ, no one's ever gonna let me skip through this

Unknown:

tomato scene. It's every year. It's such a like, okay, sorry. Denethor is probably the scariest character in all of Lord of the Rings, like the way they portrayed him, like he's very

Juke:

Trump coded, what? What I said, he's very Trump coded, you should

Unknown:

not go politics at all in this cut that out.

Juke:

Continue what you were saying about No, but I it, no, oh, never mind. Then he's delusional, sure, but I think it's just how much I hate his face.

Unknown:

Well, yeah, but that's that, that's what I'm talking about. Like he's such a, like, a scary, just like, but he does nothing like scary necessarily. It's just the way it's shot, the way he

Juke:

like, It's not scary, like anyone is like, I can take him, right?

Unknown:

It's not like the Bal rock or something like that. But, or not Sauron. Sauron, yeah. I mean, yeah, well, yeah, like, I mean, you see him in the all spiky armor and all that shit, yeah? But, or the NAS, cool, yeah. But, like, he's just, he gives off this, like, really off aura, like, really scary, unsettling, yeah, unsettling, that's the word, got it,

Juke:

yeah, he's so hateable. He's so unsettling. He makes me uncomfortable, and he eats a tomato like a fucking idiot, savage. Oh, my God, oh, I can't. And this the, you know, the sounds I hate when they put sounds of people eating in movies. I'm like, we get it. They're eating, you know? And I get it like, you know, if you're, if you're, if you're low vision person that the sounds and the the folly of Allah is important to the story, but I just cannot. I think it's misophonia. I can't the hating the sound of people eating, yeah, yeah, sometimes I want to punch people. I must have been the worst. I think that's one of the reasons I eat in front of the TV so much with people, oh, so that you don't hear because, yeah, or I tend to put music on, especially if it's quiet, and I start hearing it and I suddenly turn music on. That's why. But it's because, because I knew someone who, like, she would like, be mean to her boyfriend about it, but like, It's not his fault that you can't stand it, you know, yeah,

Unknown:

and also, like, we eat the way we eat. That's why I was about to say, you must have hated it when I ate around you, no?

Juke:

Because I've learned to cope. You know? I have, like, my mechanisms if I'm eating at the same time, it's easier. Oh, okay, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's kind of like at the theater. I can't go to the movie theater and not buy popcorn, because or else, all I hear is people eating popcorn. So I have to be eating popcorn in order to hear the movie.

Unknown:

I went to see a movie with my neighbors, my friends, yeah, one of them, which might be on the podcast, yeah,

Juke:

we were. It's booked. It's booked. I forgot his gamer Texas too. I don't know which one. Yeah, yes.

Unknown:

One, yeah, guys theory. But like, I get so focused on the movie. Like, there it was a Marvel movie, right? The Fantastic Four, okay, so, like, the the girlfriend's, like, trying to explain to me the Lord, I'm really not into the Marvel stuff. So, like, explaining to me the Lord, like, shut down type of thing. Like, really quietly, and I'm just like, I did not hear all. Like she was telling me afterwards, no, no, she was telling me afterwards. Like, hey. Like, did you understand the things that were happening as I explained it to I was like, you were talking what strike to like, focus on the movie, right?

Juke:

My God, I rarely zone in that much. Oh, I was on in that much when I'm working on a project, but zoning in that much for a movie. No, even my boy, my boyfriend, got upset because he's showing me a show, and he's like, Well, now you didn't see that because you're not paying attention. I'm like, I'm paying attention. I just looked away because I looked at him because I was laughing. Oh, and I so I missed the thing on the screen because I was looking at him. I was like, that's not fair. I was looking at you because I was enjoying the thing. Well,

Unknown:

it's kind of like our doctor who nights, there's always a bit of rewinding, right when we, like, mess around or fuck around or whatever. Oh yeah, okay, wait, yeah, we sidetracked hard.

Juke:

This is gonna, this is gonna be so interesting to edit. Oh, yeah. So do we have any closing opinions on the Witcher? Because I feel like we keep going away from it. So maybe, maybe we've said all we need to say, yeah.

Unknown:

I mean, closing opinions, fucking play it.

Juke:

Yeah. Like it is great. Oh, how about like, if you had to suggest i. Like, if, if someone was gonna play only one, only one of The Witcher games, three, the third one. Yeah, why? Because of the story, because of the beauty.

Unknown:

It's the most developed one. There is, like, I mean, one and two obviously came out a while ago. Oh, yeah. So, like, it's the biggest world, it's the most beautiful game again, until four comes out. And I think that the quests were really, really, really interesting. Like, yeah, really interesting. And are you missing?

Juke:

Like, is it confusing if you haven't played one and two? No, not at all. I've noticed with a lot of games that it doesn't you can jump in, yeah.

Unknown:

Like, I mean they I feel like, especially good open world RPGs will generally, like, kind of, like, you have to put yourself in the world, right? So, like, when something happens, like, unless it's really, really weird, like, you're kind of like, oh, okay, this is kind of normal, right? Like, just the Witcher himself. Like, what is a witcher? Yeah? Like, oh, you know. And then you learn through the game what a Witcher is, okay, right? And like, how, how they become Witchers, which are three. Even in Witcher three, there's an entire scene in the castle. I cannot remember the name of it, Wolf Slayer.

Juke:

That's that's interesting, but it's the pattern, because I've no, I'm like, I'm thinking about it now. And the games that I've played that are like a series I've very rarely started with the first Borderlands is one of the first games I played. I didn't, I didn't start with the first, I think I started with the second or the third, Resident Evil. I played a few of them. I don't think I played the first ever god of war, even, actually, I never played

Unknown:

god of war. It's good game, but like, that is much more of a like, hack and slash,

Juke:

okay, but like, yeah. Now thinking back on almost all the games that I've played that are even Dota, I played Dota two. I have no idea what Dota one is, yeah, but that's an RTS, no, yeah, but okay, yeah, still, don't worry about that. Any game that, like, has a number. I don't think I've ever started with the first. And so for for non gamers out there, if you're trying to be introduced, don't worry. I don't think I've ever played the first, yeah, game

Unknown:

designers will generally understand that, like, if they want newer audiences, yeah, like, you know, the Gen alphas or whatever that are coming up, like they're not going to go back and play all your games. They just want to jump in, right? And, like, you know, maybe you know a little bit of lore about it, or, like, whatever, but you don't need to understand that to enjoy the game. And I've always found, especially games, it's more, yes, there's a story and everything, but, like, what makes particular series. This is, I'm gonna say, like that special is the mechanics of it, you know. And like, the way, the way they, they like, they build out, like, you know, like, for example, The Witcher, you have two swords, you have a little magicky stuff, whatever, like that. That's kind of like the main mechanics of it. And then you have, for example, Fallout. You have the, what is that system called, where you could, like, select, focus fire on, like, the head, or something like that.

Juke:

Oh, that thing where you can pause combat, yeah. What's it called? I don't know, that thing where you can pause combat.

Unknown:

Yeah, now, now I look like a dumb ass. Well, I

Juke:

mean, no, the non gamers understand better when you say a thing where you can pause combat, and the people who played it understand what you're talking about. Yeah, that's fair.

Unknown:

That's fair. Anyway, I'm very upset with myself right now. Yeah, anyway, so like that, that's like, really something special about Fallout, yeah? And, you know, just play the game, man, yeah, it's a great game, and it's a great show, until season three. I mean, give,

Juke:

let's give three. Season Three people, people out there, let's give Season

Unknown:

Three a shot again. I have not watched it.

Juke:

I'll try it. I'll report back. I feel bad for him. I don't even know the actor's name. It says it's a Hemsworth. It's one of the Hemsworth No,

Unknown:

who is?

Juke:

Oh, like, Thor is a Hemsworth really someone else. They're like, three brothers, and their actors, and they're all their last name is Thor, is sure one of the Hemsworth, Chris Hemsworth, yeah. And then he is not the same guy. It's one of the brothers, okay, Liam, I don't know, but Okay, listen, the one thing is that, like, I understand that Henry Cavill left because he didn't agree with the way. The direction the story was taking. Listen like I think a lot of authors are realistic that when their work is adapted to movies, there's only so much you can do when you're switching medium, there's only so much you can do and and you have to take certain liberties, and there's certain things you're gonna have to cut, and there's certain things you're gonna have to add in to make it work absolutely. So I don't like fully disagree. Also, sometimes I don't know how the Witcher is, like, how, how? If they're if the story writers on the show are implicating the game, the gaming writers, or whatever like. If I have no collaborating,

Unknown:

maybe with which are four,

Juke:

yeah, I have no idea, but I know that in what's that show called The Walking Dead, they did collaborate with the original writer of the bond.

Unknown:

This the ah, game,

Juke:

no, not a game. It's a book of the with the graphics, boom, boom, pow, a comic book. Comic book, really? It comes from a comic book Walking Dead. Yeah? Really, yeah. Well, the comic book, from what I remember, the comic book writer was collaborating with the show and the way he presented it, because, or else you already know who's gonna die. He was saying he was having so much fun getting to explore certain characters and different facets, right? Like getting to instead of copying the story and then everybody knows what's coming, like letting Glenn live for longer. And then everybody, like, I remember, like, everybody was expecting, like, when is Glenn gonna die? Because everybody knew he had to die. But, like, it, yeah. And they kept, like, kind of teasing him dying, you know, that's because he was supposed to be dead in the but listen in the in the comic book, so, and then it was fun to hear that author, you know, talk about exploring the different facts so I understand the creative liberties that shows can take. So, you know, I'm, I want, I should. I'm going to give Witcher three a try.

Unknown:

I want to watch which, like the season three, yeah, just to see exactly what was wrong with it. Because, like, again, like I said, the story line is different, like, it's not the same story as the Witcher the games. Yeah, right, but it still feels like it could be. You want to

Juke:

figure out what Henry Cavill had, yeah, what

Unknown:

Henry Cavill went, like, Nah, yeah, Nah, man. I guess I have to watch it

Juke:

with you so that, like, you can be like, Okay, I see now, yeah, this is in the game. This is not in the game. Blah blah, yeah, because that's the thing is, I get it and, and most of the time when the masks are like, Oh, that was shit. Blah, blah, blah, I end up watching it and I'm like, people are big babies. The people are huge, ginormous babies. Like, I can't understand, like, so I'm sure I'm gonna watch a witch and I'm like, I don't understand what people are pitching about. You know, right? Yeah, chances are that's how I'm gonna feel. Because I'm, I'm just really open minded, I guess.

Unknown:

No, absolutely. I think, I think really, what's gonna bother you the most is probably gonna be the fact that the main actor changed,

Juke:

I know, but when I saw pictures, I was very surprised that, like,

Unknown:

they did a good job. I'm sorry, did you see a picture of like, Gerald in the games?

Juke:

It's, yeah, it's vague in my memory, but yeah, like I saw that they did

Unknown:

a good job. No, with Henry Cavill, he was, like, amazingly accurately, close. Yeah, that's pictures of the new actor, Hemsworth or whatever. Like, there's something off about it, really, I'm

Juke:

gonna have to go back and look, but I'm gonna give him a chance, because in the end, they're both very hot men. So on that aspect, it will be nice to look at. What am I? What am I gonna say? Pleasant to look at anyways, you know, like, at the very least, you're like, Okay, look, not my thing. But sure, so I feel like we've talked a bunch. Yeah, I don't know. Gonna be a crazy episode.

Unknown:

You're gonna have so much fun. You're probably gonna have to, like, put things in different orders.

Juke:

No, I'm not. No way I'm doing that. We like ADHD our way through. Yeah, and the listeners are gonna ADHD their way with us. Good luck. So how I normally end my podcast is that while I wait for to be able to have sponsors and stuff like that, eventually I plug businesses of like friends and family in my life. So the shout out this week is a friend of mine. He is a singer, rapper. He writes. It's his own music. He's super passionate, and he's been working and writing songs since he was like a teen in the corner with his little hoodie up, and like, scribbling music in the corner at school and recording in the closet of his friend's place and stuff like that. And so I just really passionate about his music, and I met him because he was recording at my ex's place. And so I just, you know, I there's a special place in my heart for his music, because I got to see him when he was like, recording in like, a room in an apartment and stuff like that. His artist's name is M, dot O, dot t, and it means moment of truth. So on his social media, it'll vary. So like on YouTube, it's M dot O dot t, brackets moment of truth. It's all going to be linked in the show notes in the description. Then on Instagram is going to be m o, t, underscore, M T, L. And on Spotify, you can find him under just M dot O, dot, T again, we'll all be linked in the description, but go check out his music, follow like and all that. Send him some love. I'm a big fan of his work, and there's a, you know, special place in my heart for his work and stuff like that. So yeah, thank you so much to absent for being on this episode. It's my pleasure.

Unknown:

It was a lot of fun, actually,

Juke:

and until next time. Gigi. Gigi, our podcast art was made by the wonderful Arielle, who can be found on Instagram at Prophet opossum. And our intro natural music was made by David theski from thespian studio.com

Unknown:

the job's done.